Theresa May's Brexit talks with the Labour Party are a "grave mistake"

[festive]

Thankyou Transam agree. Then every remain voter on here will continue with 'see you Brexit people can't make your mind up'

 

[JohnD]

Thankyou Transam agree. Then every remain voter on here will continue with 'see you Brexit people can't make your mind up'

Wrong. It's no good you making your minds up individually and having a million different opinions. You need to be able to agree together what you think will be best for the nation, and be able to explain why.

Have you formed an agreement yet that includes rice-pudd, Buffoon and that idiot Davies? Do you agree with them? What have they agreed? Do you agree with what Farage used to say before the referendum, or with what he says now?

 

[festive]

Go on lalala JohnD you're talking a bit like a footy fan it's not that simple . Plus as supporters we have no control.

Now look at the facts I presented. Look at MV2 see that sea of red opposing the proposed initial Brexit outlines. Can you see that John?

Why do you think all red are opposed?

Answer please...still waiting.

I voted leave ffs. What don't you get about that. We as Joe public don't have a say in how. You on the other hand lost so instead are desperately clinging to the you don't know how so we can't let's scrap the vote.

Farage etc don't care they all spout degrees of bs Some More than others.

 

[JohnD]

Does rice-pudd support the Tory government's proposal?

What party is he in?

 

[festive]

Not answering are you?

You want me to answer all your questions before you answer mine?

Rees yes he's Tory. Yes he opposed for valid reasons he also has a clear idea of how he would leave and feels we are being ****ed over. I get it.

So what about that Sea of red all collectively having the same decision or can't they think for themselves?

I suppose you could argue at least Labour are more cohesive when it comes to blocking the Tory led brexit deal.

 

[ellal]

One has to admire festive...

For showing precisely how confused quitters are!

 

[Notch7]

voted leave ffs. What don't you get about that. We as Joe public don't have a say in how. You on the other hand lost so instead are desperately clinging to the you don't know how so we can't let's scrap the vote

Once again, there is no majority for any Brexit option.

What dont you understand.

This is the basic argument:

Leave with no deal: too damaging to the economy

TM deal: ties us to the EU, so leavers dont want it (and its not a deal). -existing deal is better

Labour deal: with customs -existing deal is better


So which of the above deals do you want? (None of which have a majority)

 

[noseall]

So which of the above deals do you want?

Fester is a brexer, he will not have the feintest clue.

 

[festive]

Fester is a brexer, he will not have the feintest clue.

What a suprise noseall and his usual condescending comments, im not sparring in the gutter with you on that level ta. Nothing to contribute? Can't comment on that sea of red can you?

Tell me which majority party is currently blocking the Maybots rubber stamped with the EU Brexit strategy??? Do you want me to paste all the evidence again?

Do you need some help? (dont go there Fest he/she is really not worth it)

A) Labour
B) Dem Brexit people

 

[festive]

Once again, there is no majority for any Brexit option.

What dont you understand.

This is the basic argument:

Leave with no deal: too damaging to the economy

TM deal: ties us to the EU, so leavers dont want it (and its not a deal). -existing deal is better

Labour deal: with customs -existing deal is better


So which of the above deals do you want? (None of which have a majority)

Why are you so keen on my opinion this post is nothing to do with a single opinion. LEAVE we haven't got close to leaving because it is being blocked already by Labour.

Which majority party is blocking the brexit process currently, tell me. Go on... i am waiting.

 

[Mfatic]

Why are you so keen on my opinion this post is nothing to do with a single opinion. LEAVE we haven't got close to leaving because it is being blocked already by Labour.

Which majority party is blocking the brexit process currently, tell me. Go on... i am waiting.

It is not the role of the opposition to support the government.
The whole idea of the first past the post system is that the largest party is 'the government' and with their majority they can pass their own policies, without relying on the support of other parties.
When a coalition is arranged, it is the role of the coalition partners to support the government, not rely on the opposition for that support.

If the largest party, even with the support of their coalition partners cannot pass their flagship policy, either the policy is wrong, or they need a General Election.

 

[festive]

So it seems, we have more lalalala im not listening here today, complete and utter denial and unwilling to admit it. Are you Labour supporters, please don't tell me you're Liberal even more limp wristed.. well a close call.

 

[Notch7]

Why are you so keen on my opinion this post is nothing to do with a single opinion. LEAVE we haven't got close to leaving because it is being blocked already by Labour.

Which majority party is blocking the brexit process currently, tell me. Go on... i am waiting.

You are saying Labour are blocking Brexit Mmmmm.

65% of Labour voters, voted remain 90% of Labour members back remain, in a 2nd ref 69% would vote remain.

As you believe in democracy, do you think Labour should represent their voters wishes?

 

[festive]

It is not the role of the opposition to support the government.
The whole idea of the first past the post system is that the largest party is 'the government' and with their majority they can pass their own policies, without relying on the support of other parties.
When a coalition is arranged, it is the role of the coalition partners to support the government, not rely on the opposition for that support.

Agree. And the first part the post vote here on Brexit was to leave. This is where it seems the posts are getting moved around alot.

"You brexit people only won by a small percentage of the population" - What's that all about? My god if we lost the Brexit vote i would of moved on already and not had a hissy fit for the next 50years.

Democracy - whilst the 'opposition' are there i know not to support the government, there should be times like now where they should stop opposing for the sake of opposing and recognise the democratic majority. This is the whole point of my post again.
My point is amongst many plots here Labour are deliberately blocking and stalling Brexit to force a GE and take over, what is more damaging? The amount of time taken up attempting to negotiate or actually progress onto the latter stages? This was highlighted by GW in my link and the Mv1 Mv2 voting strategies by Labour. And to quote your reference Labour is 'the opposition' hence they are opposing a Tory Brexit strategy.

 

[festive]

You are saying Labour are blocking Brexit Mmmmm.

65% of Labour voters, voted remain 90% of Labour members back remain, in a 2nd ref 69% would vote remain.

As you believe in democracy, do you think Labour should represent their voters wishes?

You wont acknowledge it will you.