Theresa May's Brexit talks with the Labour Party are a "grave mistake"

[pete50]

LOL obviously the locking mod is on holiday. FARAGE FOR EVER. Well for the time being at least.

 

[Mfatic]

And to quote your reference Labour is 'the opposition' hence they are opposing a Tory Brexit strategy.

That is the role of the opposition, to question, oppose and hold the government to account.
If they agreed with all the government policies, they would no longer be the opposition, they would be synonymous with the government

 

[Notch7]

You wont acknowledge it will you.

My apologies, what wont I recognise?

I do understand you want Brexit, but you dont know what Brexit, or why you want it.

Unfortunately you have fallen for Farages 'thwarting democracy' carp.

Do you not understand, there is no majority for any Brexit option -because there is no consensus amongst Brexiteers what Brexit they want.

You wont even state what Brexit you want -so how can an MP represent what you want if you dont tell them........

 

[festive]

That is the role of the opposition, to question, oppose and hold the government to account.
If they agreed with all the government policies, they would no longer be the opposition, they would be synonymous with the government

I agree but.. (gently headbutts keyboard) this is my whole point. Whats the point of just opposing everything for the sake of selfish gains and opposing because we must oppose and stop them looking better than us? Have you seen Corbyn mumble when he's asked what he actually wants to do? I refer you to my original post.

 

[ellal]

Labour is 'the opposition' hence they are opposing a Tory Brexit strategy.

Do you agree with that 'Tory Brexit strategy'?

Yes or No are the options available.

 

[Mfatic]

I agree but.. (gently headbutts keyboard) this is my whole point. Whats the point of just opposing everything for the sake of selfish gains and opposing because we must oppose and stop them looking better than us? Have you seen Corbyn mumble when he's asked what he actually wants to do? I refer you to my original post.

(gently headbutts keyboard) That is the role of the opposition. If they don't oppose, they are not the opposition.
Any explanation you ascribe to their motives is your personal opinion. They believe they are representing their voters. That is all that matters.

If the Conservatives are losing support hand over fist, it is indicative that their policies are wrong.
Therefore Labour, Corbyn, and whoever, is precisely correct in opposing those policies.

 

[Brigadier]

(gently headbutts keyboard) That is the role of the opposition. If they don't oppose, they are not the opposition.
Any explanation you ascribe to their motives is your personal opinion. They believe they are representing their voters. That is all that matters.

If the Conservatives are losing support hand over fist, it is indicative that their policies are wrong.
Therefore Labour, Corbyn, and whoever, is precisely correct in opposing those policies.

Not quite correct.

The role of the opposition is to hold the government to account, when it believes it is is the national interest so to do.
Conversely, the opposition should also support the government when it is in the national interest so to do.

If Labour believe that their alternative proposal is worse than the current "stay-in-the-EU" deal, they should be campaigning unequivocally for Remain.
As they're not (but instead mumbling around with a variant of a Leave deal), they are clearly fudging around to try to alienate as few potential voters as possible.
"Constructive ambiguity", as another poster eloquently put it.

 

[festive]

Do you agree with that 'Tory Brexit strategy'?

Yes or No are the options available.

Honestly, taking no deal off the table was the most idiotic move, putting a remainer in place also close second. But unlike some people here im not avoiding any questions. Despite people not wanting to admit here what Labour are doing.

No i don't believe currently what May is doing is right. So my answer is NO.

But you're missing the point. Even if May managed to get us the most amazing deal, i think youd still find Corbyn finding an excuse to block it going forward, just because he can. And that my friends is detrimental to the UK as a whole.

 

[Mfatic]

Not quite correct.

The role of the opposition is to hold the government to account, when it believes it is is the national interest so to do.
Conversely, the opposition should also support the government when it is in the national interest so to do.

If Labour believe that their alternative proposal is worse than the current "stay-in-the-EU" deal, they should be campaigning unequivocally for Remain.
As they're not (but instead mumbling around with a variant of a Leave deal), they are clearly fudging around to try to alienate as few potential voters as possible.
"Constructive ambiguity", as another poster eloquently put it.

Judging by the hemorrhaging of support for the Conservatives, Labour are absolutely correct in opposing the government on this issue, and if they believe it is in the best interests of the country, their position is fully justified, whatever political/parliamentary tactics they employ.

 

[Mfatic]

Even if May managed to get us the most amazing deal, i think youd still find Corbyn finding an excuse to block it going forward, just because he can. And that my friends is detrimental to the UK as a whole.

You can not base your criticism on what you think Corbyn may or may no do in a hypothetical situation, especially one which is highly unlikely to occur.
Well, you could, but........

 

[festive]

Not quite correct.

The role of the opposition is to hold the government to account, when it believes it is is the national interest so to do.
Conversely, the opposition should also support the government when it is in the national interest so to do.

If Labour believe that their alternative proposal is worse than the current "stay-in-the-EU" deal, they should be campaigning unequivocally for Remain.
As they're not (but instead mumbling around with a variant of a Leave deal), they are clearly fudging around to try to alienate as few potential voters as possible.
"Constructive ambiguity", as another poster eloquently put it.

Spot on thanks for clarifying my points Brigadier Constructive ambiguity is a good word for it, they (Corbyn) of course want to be 'the peoples answer' (whatever that answer turns out to be to maximise our chance to win the next GE.) That here is NOT in the best interest of this country currently, that's a selfish motive.

 

[Notch7]

It is not the role of the opposition to support the government.
The whole idea of the first past the post system is that the largest party is 'the government' and with their majority they can pass their own policies, without relying on the support of other parties.
When a coalition is arranged, it is the role of the coalition partners to support the government, not rely on the opposition for that support.

If the largest party, even with the support of their coalition partners cannot pass their flagship policy, either the policy is wrong, or they need a General Election.

Welcome back old bean

 

[festive]

You can not base your criticism on what you think Corbyn may or may no do in a hypothetical situation.

See my first post, and second both based on evidence, the first you could question GW's statements but Mv1 Mv2 strategic votes are factual.

Cheers my dear!

 

[Mfatic]

Welcome back old bean

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[Mfatic]

Even if May managed to get us the most amazing deal, i think youd still find Corbyn finding an excuse to block it going forward, just because he can. And that my friends is detrimental to the UK as a whole.

See my first post, and second both based on evidence, the first you could question GW's statements but Mv1 Mv2 strategic votes are factual.

GW opinions are his opinions, not facts.
"Even if May" is suggesting a highly unlikely hypothetical situation, on which you base your criticism of Corbyn's objection to opposing Conservative policy.
(gently headbutts keyboard) The role of the opposition is to oppose.