Why Boris Johnson will go for a referendum

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The vote was non binding.

It was made absolutely clear in the government's booklet that the referendum would be a once-in-a-generation event, and that the government would implement what we decided.
Both main parties manifestos in the 2017 GE said we would be leaving the SM and CU. And remember that MPs voted 5:1 to activate A50, knowing full-well that the default option was a no-deal exit; or is it a case of "MPs didn't know what they were voting for", like they constantly berate Leavers for?
As one of 17.4m leavers, I knew perfectly well what I was voting for - to leave the undemocratic, sclerotic, protectionist, inward-looking behmoth that is the EU.
 
Not allowing the EU Parliament to have a say in the choice of the new head of the Commission; and parachuting a criminal into the position of Head of the ECB,
for starters.
What is it about those people in charge you do not like? Who would you have chosen?
 
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What is it about those people in charge you do not like? Who would you have chosen?
It's not a case of like or dislike of the people involved, its the cronyism right at the top that needles, not unlike the croynism of the old Soviet Union where leaders were changed behind closed doors.
 
its the cronyism right at the top that needles
You mean like politics in general? Are you such a snowflake that you can't bear that an elected official hasn't been chosen by the masses? You are in the wrong country boyo.

Who would you like to see running the Commission or the ECB?
 
You mean like politics in general? Are you such a snowflake that you can't bear that an elected official hasn't been chosen by the masses?

Who would you like to see running the Commission or the ECB?

These are not so much 'officials' as politicians.
Naturally, we wouldn't be bothered voting for senior members of the civil service, but the head of the Commission wields enormous political power and not one person in the EU has voted for her.
(and people here complain that as only 90k Tory party members voted for Johnson, that it is 'undemocratic').
 
And said person answers to the countries within the EU. So what?
Said person answers ultimately to Germany - even the Guardian itself recently admitted in one of its opinion pieces that the true power in the EU resides in Berlin.
Aside from that, there is the gradual errosion of individual state's influence, and the accumulation of powers on the Paris-Berlin axis, on which Berlin will become increasingly influential, now that the UK is leaving.
 
LOL. Quitters mantra was founded upon opinion. You do spout rehearsed tired nonsense.
Your knowledge and experience of building construction far outclasses your understanding of democracy --- perhaps stick to Building :LOL:
 
t was made absolutely clear in the government's booklet that the referendum would be a once-in-a-generation event, and that the government would implement what we decided

It was, but also:

The result was 52 48 that means parliament is split, constituencies are split, voters are split. Therefore there is no majority for any form of leave or stay.


In terms leavers that say, 52 48, we won. Well what have leavers won?

I knew perfectly well what I was voting for - to leave the undemocratic, sclerotic, protectionist, inward-looking behmoth that is the EU.

Yes, I think the same, in many respects.

all those adjectives also describe the current UK Tory government.

From a pragmatic point of view, its better to stay in rather than a bunch of incompetent Tory MPs trying to make the UK leave in order to save their own bacon.


Dont forget the UK could have left by now but Tory Brexiteers stopped it.
 
If facts are what is wanted, there is no democracy in the EU itself, ref. the latest shenanigans in Brussels.
It is a fact that the euro has crippled the southern states with high youth unemployement; and as for Italy, when its banks go belly-up, we will be on the hook for at least £200bn in the ensuing bailout, even though we arenot in the eurozone.

EU is not democratic is that in the first verse of Brexiters hymn sheet?

http://theconversation.com/how-democratic-is-the-european-union-59419

As to unemployment it has more to do with structural issues in the labour market.
https://wol.iza.org/articles/why-is-youth-unemployment-so-high-and-different-across-countries/long

Now you blame the EU for being overbearing and controlling yet they have very little influence on structural issues in the labour market which then dismantles your argument of the overbearing EU influence.

Who is the we being on the hook to the Italian banks exposure?
 
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