UK Policy of tackling covid through herd immunity

[SirGalahad]

And your equating a degree of manageable hardship for many, to much more complete hardship for many more, is disingenuous.

Your argument is that we need to avoid economic hardship - is disingenous. You think we can carry on as normal - do we interact with the world? Do we produce all the goods we need? So if the rest of the world is also dealing with this outbreak somehow if we carry on we will not face issues. You think you can avoid a downturn by simply carrying on - sure.

I agree, to a degree. However, delay will cost lives, and what happened to your stance on "experts"? Is it only the experts with which fit in with your own prejudice? (unless you are an expert yourself)?

You seem to willfully not understand what I potsted because it goes against your support of your party. Experts can disagree and all the scientists and views are the same - if the UK has a nuanced and novel approach then share your work - the rest of the world can benefit. As to the cheap jibe am I an expert shows your own lack of actually bringing any proof of your support. If have posted something that is wrong then point it out with your own evidence but it seems you would rather stick to a jibe of me being an expert. Looks like your lack of argument is exposed.

But mostly our society, the rest is just another jibe.

So it's not a fact social services have been cut?

From the link above if you had read it.

We are full of “social patients” – people medically fit to go but who can’t be discharged because there isn’t a place in a care home for them, or the care package to allow them to go home hasn’t been sorted.

 

[SirGalahad]

If I get it than I will go down the local council office and request a meeting with the big I am who runs it and with luck transmit it to him

That will be pay back for the hassle he caused me

I will than go around some customers who owe money knock on there door when they answer sneeze

Film it and I will believe it and then I would say your unique.

 

[Brigadier]

I still don't think people are really understanding the issue.

Reducing social contact helps to slow the spread of the virus so that the NHS can deal with the sick. The virus will affect a large percentage of the population - what we need is for this to happen over a longer period - that's all.

Whether or not a virus is found in 12 months - this approach helps us to spread the workload.

Over how long do you propose extending this approach?
Weren't the predictions 90% of the population becoming infected (which will include healthcare workers, who will then be incapacitated for a period)?
Weren't the predictions for somewhere around a million deaths? Given a +10% death rate for some groups, that's about ten million needing some level of specialist care. How many itu beds would have to be provided and staffed, to give that care? A million of whom are predicted to die?

Before you accuse me of being heartless, I'd be interested to know how long you propose this social distancing go on (weeks, months, years, or forever?), how many people will suffer and perhaps die not from Corona, but from isolation, how many extra itu beds you propose are required?

 

[Brigadier]

Your argument is that we need to avoid economic hardship - is disingenous. You think we can carry on as normal - do we interact with the world? Do we produce all the goods we need? So if the rest of the world is also dealing with this outbreak somehow if we carry on we will not face issues. You think you can avoid a downturn by simply carrying on - sure.

Strawman.

 

[Brigadier]

You seem to willfully not understand what I potsted because it goes against your support of your party.

What was it you were saying about jibes?
Seems you have been exposed.

 

[SirGalahad]

What was it you were saying about jibes?
Seems you have been exposed.

Hmm, after you make a jibe.Seems you have been exposed as a hypocrite.

Strawman.

Is it. Tell me how by doing nothing we can merrily avoid a downturn.

 

[Brigadier]

Is it. Tell me how by doing nothing we can merrily avoid a downturn.

See, you've built another strawman.

 

[Brigadier]

a degree of manageable hardship for many, to much more complete hardship for many more,

Like I said, you're building strawmen.

 

[SirGalahad]

Like I said, you're building strawmen.

economic hardship are likely to be serious threats to health and well being,

Carry on as normal.

So tell me the economic impact of the Governments policy as is. Will we avoid a recession?

 

[Brigadier]

So tell me the economic impact of the Governments policy as is. Will we avoid a recession?

Yet another strawman, you're on a roll this morning

a degree of manageable hardship for many, to much more complete hardship for many more,

"A degree" (unspecified ), compared to "much more complete" (again unspecified, but clearly more than the aforementioned degree ")

I went for a meal and drinks last night. Currently permitted by UK government.

If I nor anyone else can do this in future, do you think this will help or hurt the economy?

 

[norseman]

'Oh this really takes the biscuit, on the news this morning measures to isolate the over 'seventies for their 'protection'
As if the government gives a s..t as to whether us oldies live or die, because we no longer produce anything, have to be paid a pension & if ill clog up the health service. An acquaintance has just returned from Malaysia & didn't feel threatened by CV until she returned to this country, no checks at the airport whereas on holiday every public place checked your temperature & had sanitiser fluid at the entrance. I went to my GP surgery yesterday to collect my monthly meds. the sanitiser at reception was nearly empty & the practice had no replacements. We asked a local Toby carvery what measures they were taking to help protect their customers, appears they just wipe the tables & again no sanitiser at reception … so we cancelled the booking.
Today the health secretary is talking about 'a wartime spirit' LOL, if this lot had been in power back then a virus would have been the least of our problems. As it is all government is doing is spreading doom & despondency, the PM is telling us how many of us will die instead of how many will survive & the media is having a field day spreading gloom, now that they can't bang on all the time about Brexit.

Rant over, I'll get my coat & see if I can find any bog roll on the shelves

 

[fillyboy]

So tell me the economic impact of the Governments policy as is. Will we avoid a recession?

Regardless of the route we take, containment, isolation, herd immunity etc I don't think there is any doubt that there will be a Global recession unlike anything we've seen in the past,
the 1930's depression and the banking collapse in recent years will seem like boom periods compared to what's coming, in fact what's already here.

I love the smell of quantitative easing in the morning.

 

[Ryler]

will be a Global recession unlike anything we've seen in the past,

All because of brexit.

 

[Brigadier]

Regardless of the route we take, containment, isolation, herd immunity etc I don't think there is any doubt that there will be a Global recession unlike anything we've seen in the past,

At least a sight more of us can now work from home / over the net, rather than being laid off from factories, mines, and the like.

 

[JohnD]

All because of brexit.

Brig will be accusing you of Strawman in a moment.