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Well said
Ending inequality in UK
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Better off banging your head off the wall than explaining that to Jonnyboy and The Notch.
The nearest I have seen to true equality based commune-ism was in Israel in the government / management of the kibbutz way of life.
I also have some experience of the communism as practised in the DDR ( East Germany ). There was a huge in-equality between employed people and their employer who for 95% of the people was the government.
Almost all company names included VEB such as VEB Robotron-Büromaschinenwerk Sömmerda
VEB = Volkseigener Betrieb = Publicly Owned Enterprise
in other words almost all companies were nationalised.....and most were financially crippled, artificial jobs were created in order that the employer ( government ) could hand over money as wages and not as un-employment benefit.
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Nice one but do you really expect an answer from that pair of champagne socialists?
I am sorry to hear you are living in poverty.
Are you disabled? Or are you fit enough to get a job on minimum wage?
Mottie mentioned the other day that he was claiming benefits off the taxpayer, while spending his days walking the dog and pottering in his allotment. Perhaps he could spare you a bit.
My business is geared to training of school age students and I wasn’t planning to go back until mid September at the earliest. This extended furlough scheme's a winner as far as I’m concerned - I don’t normally earn a bean from mid July to mid September.
Communism is totally different to what it was these days and all are doing the same thing. I saw a fair bit of Tito's communism in the mid 70's. Came as a bit of a surprise compared with communist states as seen on the TV. In most respects I could have been in any country in the same period. My wife saw a lot of Russia around the same time. The main thing she noticed was food rationing. They probably had the same problem as China, moving too many people out of agriculture but don't seemed to have suffered millions starving to death as China did.
My idea of a holiday used to be getting into the car, across to europe on the ferry and driving so really have seen stuff well off the tourist tracks.
DDR. Always remember a comment from some one after the wall came down. " I did have a job, somewhere to live and a pension to look forwards to". The reason for the wall was mostly an exodus to higher salaries especially in some job areas.
Stalin rubbing some people out. The French used the guillotine. In both cases the effects don't last for ever.
Last year went to Russia and some Baltic states. I could literally been anywhere. Hard to spot any significant differences really.
Japan is the interesting one as in some respects similar to the UK. Banks prepared to put money into manufacture got them going. When they introduced automated plant they tended to leave the old stuff about and in use until the people using them retired. Basic idea never make people redundant. They do these days overseas and probably now do in Japan. Don't know when they changed.
My idea of a holiday used to be getting into the car, across to europe on the ferry and driving so really have seen stuff well off the tourist tracks.
DDR. Always remember a comment from some one after the wall came down. " I did have a job, somewhere to live and a pension to look forwards to". The reason for the wall was mostly an exodus to higher salaries especially in some job areas.
Stalin rubbing some people out. The French used the guillotine. In both cases the effects don't last for ever.
Last year went to Russia and some Baltic states. I could literally been anywhere. Hard to spot any significant differences really.
Japan is the interesting one as in some respects similar to the UK. Banks prepared to put money into manufacture got them going. When they introduced automated plant they tended to leave the old stuff about and in use until the people using them retired. Basic idea never make people redundant. They do these days overseas and probably now do in Japan. Don't know when they changed.
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Can we totally dismiss the correlation between wealth sharing and socialism?
From our collective experience, the two do not correlate.
From our collective experience, the two do not correlate.
True. People don't seem to realise it's the "system" that results in the end effect. Also not an easy thing to change as nothing does really so you might say politics doesn't matter but some factions tend to try and bend things in certain ways. The ways of the world is more inclined to set what actually happens.
Wealth sharing is a fiction really. Wealth needs productively investing to make more. No wealth no investment. Main problem IMHO is that this aspect has become distorted as wealth goes to the best return irrespective of if it really is productive. Property is an example of that. Labour rates as well indirectly.
Manufacture - invest more and that inevitably means less jobs. Investment is often aimed at less jobs.
Fewer.
Freedom of movement and freedom of thought and speech led people to risk their lives to leave the DDR.
True provided that the person was compliant to the whims of the government. People were "socially demoted" even relocated if they challenged the system.
All the basic necessities for living were there in the DDR , basic food, basic housing and reasonable health care, that was provided the person behaved properly.
And people were envious of the perceived luxury life in the West, for many re-unification was difficult accept when the reality of a consumer market become fully apparent.
silly tribalism argument.
I disagree with the concept of socialism and communism.
Just because I disagree with a Tory govt driven by self interest does not automatically make me a socialist.
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See what I mean...Some people just won't have it.
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What does it mean then?...Avoiding the elephant in the room is precise but means sweet F.A.
And, of course, the chance of prosperity.
what the RWRs call "economic migrants" or "bogus refugees"
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