'A' Level grades - how about a sensible discussion....

Mottie said:
Well, I don’t know about everybody else on here but if I’d spent my easily earned dosh on sending my kids to a private school, I’d be pretty ****ed off if they didn’t come out better than the majority of those coming out of state schools. Now come on, be honest, why on earth do you think people send their kids to such places - it’s not to get a bad start in life, is it? And just like private health care, if those students weren’t going to a private school, there would be even bigger classes in the state schools.
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So just for the record...

What you're saying is that because of the financial situation you are born into should be able to determine your life chances?

And that you believe that this perpetuation of the elite (at the expense of the majority) is ok with you?
 
ellal said:
So just for the record...

What you're saying is that because of the financial situation you are born into should be able to determine your life chances?

And that you believe that this perpetuation of the elite (at the expense of the majority) is ok with you?
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Yep. That’s how it’s always been UNLESS you work hard at getting into a better financial situation. Like it or not, somebody has to sweep our streets, empty our bins, clean our wards, wipe the arses of others, harvest our crops, wait on us in restaurants and serve us our burgers in a fast food establishment and there’s nothing wrong with that unless you think those people should all come from abroad to do those low-level but essential jobs?

You were only telling us the other day that your son had rejected his second choice of Oxford to study abroad. What financial situation was he born into to get to that position to determine his life choices?
 
fillyboy said:
The process used wasn't entirely out of the blue was it?, wasn't there some consultation with both teachers and unions?

Had the process relied on teachers predictions, and let's accept that teachers have only worked for 3 months out of 9, and that may well yet be extended, those predictions were so generous that that it would have meant an increase in top grades of 38%.

Had the results not been downgraded, the exam results would have been the highest in modern history, with nobody having even attending school.

Are you lot mental or something?
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The fact you cannot understand how the algorithm works - it does rely on teachers predictions shows that you are now just making up lies to defend the Government.

Stop treating the Gvovernment as your football club and more like your kids -would you reward your kids every time they made a mistake?

Your butt hurt with teachers shows a deeper hate of people who are educated and people in education which is bordering on lunacy.

Did you go to University and have your children gone to University?
 
Mottie said:
Yep. That’s how it’s always been UNLESS you work hard at getting into a better financial situation
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Understanding that wealth and life outcomes are inherited is sensible. Accepting that it has to be or agreeing that it should be is different.
 
Mottie said:
Yep. That’s how it’s always been UNLESS you work hard at getting into a better financial situation. Like it or not, somebody has to sweep our streets, empty our bins, clean our wards, wipe the arses of others, harvest our crops, wait on us in restaurants and serve us our burgers in a fast food establishment and there’s nothing wrong with that unless you think those people should all come from abroad to do those low-level but essential jobs?
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However 'social mobility' is a rarity...

So you essentially believe in elitism - thanks for clearing that up.

But of course what you fail to understand is that large numbers of pupils who could go on to do better things are denied the chance to do so...

Which damages a country as a whole, because when it comes down to it the only real resource out there is people.
You it seems would rather be ruled by the moneyed elite rather than the capable!

No wonder the UK fails in so many ways!

And no I don't believe 'those people should all come from abroad'...

But I believe they should have the choice of freedom of movement - something you have denied our young people and the generations to come!

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Mottie said:
You were only telling us the other day that your son had rejected his second choice of Oxford to study abroad. What financial situation was he born into to get to that position to determine his life choices?
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And you fail to understand that to study abroad for free is less expensive than being given a life debt in the UK...

The 'cudos' of going to Oxbridge is rapidly diminishing, and thus making an intelligent choice is becoming more important...

Thus it was an individual choice that was I guess something that was partially instilled by parental intelligence rather than any particular monetary position...
 
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ellal said:
However 'social mobility' is a rarity...

So you essentially believe in elitism - thanks for clearing that up.

But of course what you fail to understand is that large numbers of pupils who could go on to do better things are denied the chance to do so...

Which damages a country as a whole, because when it comes down to it the only real resource out there is people.
You it seems would rather be ruled by the moneyed elite rather than the capable!

No wonder the UK fails in so many ways!

And no I don't believe 'those people should all come from abroad'...

But I believe they should have the choice of freedom of movement - something you have denied our young people and the generations to come!

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And you fail to understand that to study abroad for free is less expensive than being given a life debt in the UK...

The 'cudos' of going to Oxbridge is rapidly diminishing, and thus making an intelligent choice is becoming more important...

Thus it was an individual choice that was I guess something that was partially instilled by parental intelligence rather than any particular monetary position...
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But your child wasn't going to Oxford University? They applied to Oxford Brookes, very different, you proved as much by saying that they had an unconditional offer from Oxford. Oxford University doesn't give unconditional offers to students who haven't already got their grades.

Oxford Brookes however give them out like sweeties.

All lists are subjective of course.

https://www.mastersportal.com/artic...es-in-europe-international-rankings-2020.html
 
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IT Minion said:
Well, they are this year. ;)
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No, they're not...Oxbridge have the pick of A* proven students coming out of their ears. They don't give unconditional offers to unproven talent.

EDIT: unless your HRH of course.
 
All A-level and GCSE results in England will be based on teacher-assessed grades, the government has confirmed, in a spectacular U-turn after an outcry among pupils, teachers and politicians.

Ministers announced they were to scrap the controversial standardisation model drawn up by the exams regulator, Ofqual, to award grades in lieu of exams and revert to centre-assessed grades submitted by schools earlier this summer.
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https://www.theguardian.com/educati...essments-government-u-turn?CMP=share_btn_link
 
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