Bill to protect food standards is rejected - You can't trust them - but you still do...

[Notch7]

Interesting take on the food standard wrecking bill

It seems this govt have found a spurious way to ignore the amendment from the Lords

 

[JohnD]

Lower means he wants the UK government to have a similar level of control that it had before the Carmeron/Clegg Coalition with the addition of the powers returned from the EU.

So you don't approve of Doris trying to prorogue Parliament under false pretences, and you don't approve of him ruling by decree.

 

[ellal]

The bit where we all voted to choose a government where there is an existing structure to allow them an amount of scope to run the country without having to put every single thing they do to a parliamentary vote and i don't see the need to extend the scope of what needs to be voted on in parliament.

Ah, so you're the type that gets lent a pencil every few years and then couldn't give a monkeys about what happens next...

No wonder governments can effectively do what they like when gifted with such a pool of ignorance!

 

[Lower]

Ah, so you're the type that gets lent a pencil every few years and then couldn't give a monkeys about what happens next...

No wonder governments can effectively do what they like when gifted with such a pool of ignorance!

Thankfully for me, the government i voted for won the election. I certainly don't agree with everything they've done, but they're going in the right direction.

The reason you want a vote on everything is in the hope that what the elected government are trying to do will get blocked, as per May's minority government, and you long for the days of the Brexit turmoil where nothing happened, time stood still and the same set of events just repeated over, over and over again.

 

[noseall]

you long for the days of the Brexit turmoil

Kinell boyo, where have you been? Have you not seen Yellowhammer? Looks like Bozza and his chums like nothing more than a bit of UK turmoil.

 

[ellal]

The reason you want a vote on everything is in the hope that what the elected government are trying to do will get blocked

Nope, the reason is that the government should be held to account over the promises that they made to the electorate, and whatever further proposals they make should be open to scrutiny...

You appear not to give a toss about that...

So it is quite obvious that you don't care for parliament being sovereign...

And that rule by decree/dictatorship is your preferred option!

 

[SirGalahad]

As i said before, the need for equivalence (which is remarkably similar to compliance) that would prevent a number of existing food supplying countries and suppliers, including those in your beloved EU, supplying food to the UK is the problem.

Nothing in your quote changes that.

Also, as you raise it, i don't seed the need for government to put every proposed trade deal before parliament which was the other feature of the amendment. There seems to be a thing at the moment amongst certain MP's and people who don't like they current government where they want parliamentary oversight over everything, probably left over from when everything the government wanted to do had to go to a vote because there hadn't been a proper, stable majority for quite some time and the government had to constantly water stuff down to get anything done.

But I don't find any of the proposed amendment objectionable, that your sensationalism coming to the fore. The process of raising amendments that then get approved or not by a parliamentary vote has been followed and I think the right choice has been made. I think its due process, and there's nothing objectionable about that.

So you never provided that devil in the detail and don't find the clauses objectionable and then move onto the point that Ministers are given free reign.

So all of this means it's in the hands of the Ministers - which means they can decide whether to accept lower standards or not. Brilliant.

Lower standards here we come.

 

[SirGalahad]

Kinell boyo, where have you been? Have you not seen Yellowhammer? Looks like Bozza and his chums like nothing more than a bit of UK turmoil.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...st-kent-garden-of-england-border-b985408.html

English villages wake up to find they’re Brexit’s new border: ‘It’s taking back control'
In the corner of Britain known as the Garden of England, Brexit is literally taking concrete form

Kent voted 60-40 for Brexit - hope they enjoy their spoils.

 

[Lower]

So all of this means it's in the hands of the Ministers - which means they can decide whether to accept lower standards or not.

Which is where it should be.

And i don't subscribe to your view that it will result in automatically lowered standards. But we'll have to agree to disagree and i suspect that this argument will rumble on and on.

 

[SirGalahad]

Which is where it should be.

And i don't subscribe to your view that it will result in automatically lowered standards. But we'll have to agree to disagree and i suspect that this argument will rumble on and on.

If we didn't had ministers whose only quality was fealty to Bojo.

Roll on Brexit.

 

[durhamplumber]

and i suspect that this argument will rumble on and on.

LMAO...Spot on..Lal and Gal have been crying into their beer and busting a gut over brexit for 4 years on here.

 

[transam]

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[Notch7]

And i don't subscribe to your view that it will result in automatically lowered standards

That is true, it won't automatically lead to lower standards.

If the govt wanted to maintain high standards it seems rather unlikely it would bother to enact law that allows lowering.

More pertinent is the huge amount of US libertarian pressure groups, esp connected to agri, pharma, healthcare, fossil fuel, tobacco industries that are lobbying Tory MPs and fund Brexit propaganda think tanks.

The reason a US trade deal is likely to happen which lowers food stds and opens NHS to US is entirely due to money. Tory MPs, Tory donors and other network connections all stand to make money out of such a deal.

Brexiteers seem rather naively unaware that Brexit is not about UK sovereignty, it's merely a vehicle for self interest.

This govt has also used Covid emergency legislation as an opportunity for corrupt contracts without scrutiny.

Tories will plunder what they can in the next 4 years, aren't we lucky

 

[fillyboy]

That is true, it won't automatically lead to lower standards.

Excellent, so no more horses pretending to be cows coming from the EU then.

 

[transam]

last time I went to the EU

I had guts ache from something I eat

ended up camped out on the bog & ran out of toilet roll

improvised and used my sock