British rail come back.

[Lower]

So you're at odds with this statement then?

The 'race to the bottom' occurs when employers set all the conditions/pay and employees have no say!

Have you ever employed anyone? The reality is that you have to offer market rate pay and decent conditions or people won’t work for you.

 

[Bodd]

That depends.

Of course it does.... only as long as it fits with you...........

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Is there a problem with a changing of the mind????

That depends.

Of course it does.... only as long as it fits with you...........

You think it's universally acceptable to change one's mind?
Or that it's universally unacceptable to change one's mind?
Or that there is some mystical criteria that can be applied to assess whether changing one's mind is, or is not acceptable?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

What a joke of a country we are that we can't even get trains right. Underinvestment, ridiculously high fares for some, still cheaper to fly across some parts of the UK as oppose to using the train, still cheaper in some cases to take your car with door to door convenience.

As usual, years of political parties blaming each other, blah blah blah. And the solution amidst all of this?

Let's build a new line that'll cost somewhere between £65 - £100 billion, with limited benefits.

In trains terms, for a country that used to be a world beater and innovator, I'll repeat myself. What a joke we've become.

 

[Notch7]

What a joke of a country we are that we can't even get trains right. Underinvestment, ridiculously high fares for some, still cheaper to fly across some parts of the UK as oppose to using the train, still cheaper in some cases to take your car with door to door convenience.

As usual, years of political parties blaming each other, blah blah blah. And the solution amidst all of this?

Let's build a new line that'll cost somewhere between £65 - £100 billion, with limited benefits.

In trains terms, for a country that used to be a world beater and innovator, I'll repeat myself. What a joke we've become.

Neo liberal,short termism.

 

[sxturbo]

What a joke of a country we are that we can't even get trains right. Underinvestment, ridiculously high fares for some, still cheaper to fly across some parts of the UK as oppose to using the train, still cheaper in some cases to take your car with door to door convenience.

As usual, years of political parties blaming each other, blah blah blah. And the solution amidst all of this?

Let's build a new line that'll cost somewhere between £65 - £100 billion, with limited benefits.

In trains terms, for a country that used to be a world beater and innovator, I'll repeat myself. What a joke we've become.

There is an obscene amount of waste in the railway sector, as has been mentioned it's heavily unionised, and being essentially government owned people generally don't care and rock up to work with the full intention of doing as little as possible.

You see it in many of these types of setups, the NHS non doctor or nursing staff are literally on the take all sitting doing bugger all. Why? Because it's almost impossible to get rid of them and people don't care chances of being made redundant are almost zero. I went to an NHS site close by to look at tendering for a contract to service the generator sets they have on site. Whilst doing the walk around there was a guy who looked after the boiler room restoring his own personal army truck, in plain site of the bosses. The worst bit is whenever the boilers need work they call in a 3rd party... It's mind bending..

I've seen it in EDF energy aswell, it might be privately owned but the culture continued, and it's been allowed to continue because EDF "believe" they can't get alternative staff in. We had a job delayed by 7 days at an EDF site because the "electricians" had to install 4 wires. 6 of those days was them arguing that they felt they shouldn't have to do it and a 3rd party should come in, the 7th day was them filling in the paperwork for the permits (15 minutes work at the most) in the wash up meeting EDF tried to point the blame at our door for the over run, and then refused to pay the time our guys were on site for. I also have a distant family worker that works for EDF and he openly admits he goes to work and then does probably 1 or 2 hours work on things that makes his boss happy and spends the rest of the time on tea break, lunch or wandering around chatting to his mates.

With all 3 of the above examples I have found that literally no one wants to take accountability for anything which is another reason things take so long and then likely be a shambles by the time decisions are made

Just realised I've gone on a rant.

But point is I don't think it's because of government that there's so many issue's its all to do with the way it's run.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

If they could just get rid of the unions. It might be possible to run it efficiently

I take it youve never travelled on Deutsche Bahn

 

[Captain Nemesis]

None of the tube system is driverless, but even if parts of it can't practically be driverless. Much of it could be

It's been possible to run the London tube system for years without train drivers.

But again, this lacks detail. Which parts?

The parts where youre still going to have to pay drivers to be there ready to take over when the trains get to the parts which cant be driverless.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

One example of these legacy complications is shared track between different lines and level crossings," she says. "This is the case on the oldest parts of the London Underground, where Victorian thrift led to the District, Metropolitan and Circle Line sharing track and running different routes. Another added complication is winding tunnels. Retrofitting any new system – take the example or new signalling to increase train frequency – is complicated and expensive."Those challenges mean that an entirely driverless Tube may be impossible if not just prohibitively expensive; no wonder then, that TfL says it hasn't even looked into the idea.

Dont confuse the swivel-eyed RWLs with facts - their "minds" are made up.

 

[fillyboy]

I take it youve never travelled on Deutsche Bahn

Deutsche Bahn have agreed to pay cuts, they know where their breads buttered. Haway with you you socialist moron.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

But the employees are union members. So how can what you say be true? Surely they havent contrived to run the business in a way where the company doesnt try to screw the employees all the time, and where they treat them like grownups, and in return the unions cooperate in the running of the company?

That would be madness, wouldnt it?

 

[ellal]

Deutsche Bahn have agreed to pay cuts, they know where their breads buttered. Haway with you you socialist moron.

Not exactly...

"The contract covering 215,000 train conductors, railway workers and train drivers provides for “wage increases” of only 0.5 to 1.5 percent"

 

[JohnD]

Not exactly...

"The contract covering 215,000 train conductors, railway workers and train drivers provides for “wage increases” of only 0.5 to 1.5 percent"

If they were British nurses, the government would claim they were being more than generous.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The parts where youre still going to have to pay drivers to be there ready to take over when the trains get to the parts which cant be driverless.

They should call it Heineken, refreshes the parts others can't reach.