No real alternatives to fossil fuels ..

ReganAndCarter said:
My previous next door neighbour was a hairdresser and camp as a row of tents. He used to say that women are are alright, but they're not as good as the real thing. :ROFLMAO:
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i had one of them laxative bombs poked up my bottom years ago when I was in hospital due to a bike accident

And they were not that big

would not want any thing bigger :LOL:

but each to there own I say
 
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Alec_t said:
But could that cope with the throughput? I think the re-purposed petrol stations could cope with only a fraction of the total demand (but every little helps!).
If an EV could charge fully in one hour, that's still about 10 times as long as it takes to fill a petrol tank. And until batteries get better and cheaper, the range for the average EV charge is only around half the range for a tank full of petrol; so twice as many visits to the stations needed for EV.
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I know how all of this will be sold to us, it's starting to happen already in other green areas and, on some levels, I suppose they're not wrong.

We'll be told we need to 'plan ahead and make changes to how we consume.'

It doesn't matter how you look at it, with EVs, the days of 'popping' into a petrol station to fill up and the entire process usually taking no more than 10 mins (from entry to exit) will be long gone.

I suppose it'll all sort itself out, however tbh I'm pleased I've had 30ish years of driving the type of vehicle I want, where I want, when I want, without that much interference from government. That is all slowly changing.
 
The only viable solution I can think of to meet the demands for mass charging, is small nuclear PS, with massive car parks around them fitted with charging stations. Centralised charging.
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
The only viable solution I can think of to meet the demands for mass charging, is small nuclear PS, with massive car parks around them fitted with charging stations. Centralised charging.
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One thing's for sure, for those who will own EVs in the years to come that live on streets with no off-street parking and driveways, home charging won't be possible. As has been pointed out, imagine what an inviting target it would be for idiots walking about at night to see car after car plugged into a charging point ... too tempting not to vandalise. Maybe they're going to plan for wireless charging as can now be done with phones ;)
 
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Harry Bloomfield said:
Do you seriously believe that? I employ a little common sense and simply look along the road I live on and imagine all of those petrol and diesel cars all plugging in and charging overnight and how much current they might take. Remember - many of the supplies to the home have to be upgraded to cope with the demand of charging just one car. How many homes presently have just one car?
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Not much if they're charging overnight. The average daily milage is 20. Assuming a good but not epic efficiency EV that's 5-6kWh each. Assuming 8pm to 6am then that's 0.5kW, or two TVs. The grid is normally very underused overnight.

How many houses need to be upgraded to run a kettle? (6 X daily average milage?)
 
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jj4091 said:
My home & every other house on our street are at the end of linked electrical supplies, which I am led to believe rules out the installation of fast chargers. They are (mostly ) also under rated to be able to handle the extra load of those & heat pumps. There is no way my imprinted concrete drive & landscaped garden is going to be dug up to install a new supply cable. I'm sure most of my neighbours would feel the same way. That is just one street in a small town. The whole country being done is just pie in the sky in my humble opinion.
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EVs won't work because I won't dig up my garden is possibly the lamest reason yet. ;)

For some people it'll be easy, they'll be the ones making the leap as soon as EVs are cheaper to buy. For some people it'll be harder, so they won't get an EV for a while. But as time goes on the price will drop further compared to ICE and the hassle of owning a petrol car will be worse than redoing the lawn.

Again, this isn't going to be overnight. You've got 14 years to cling to your exhaust pipe before they won't sell you another
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Maybe they're going to plan for wireless charging as can now be done with phones
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Far too inefficient for heavy charge currents. Phones do not demand too much charge current so if 50% of that is wasted, it is no big deal, but (even supposing it would work) waste 50% of several Kw and it becomes a major problem - not to mention the problem of heating due to eddy currents in the vehicles metalwork.
 
Alec_t said:
But could that cope with the throughput? I think the re-purposed petrol stations could cope with only a fraction of the total demand (but every little helps!).
If an EV could charge fully in one hour, that's still about 10 times as long as it takes to fill a petrol tank. And until batteries get better and cheaper, the range for the average EV charge is only around half the range for a tank full of petrol; so twice as many visits to the stations needed for EV.
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Right now you're looking at 30-40 minutes for a nearly full charge. Most people don't do 0-100% because it's hard on the batteries and they slow down for the last few %.

30-40 mins is much slower than a petrol pump. But in the real world something like 80-90% of charging is done at home/office/shops. That means fewer cars fighting over those charge points. The place you do get a much greater need for very fast charging is service stations. They'll need to lay in some big cables, just as the national Grid is planning.
 
Harry Bloomfield said:
The only viable solution I can think of to meet the demands for mass charging, is small nuclear PS, with massive car parks around them fitted with charging stations. Centralised charging.
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So a 200MW nuclear reactor to fast charge 1,000 EVs simultaneously with 15 connecting every second. More like 2,000 given the realities of batteries and people parking up at services.

... and overnight that power would be sent onto the grid or lost. So you wouldn't save anything in wiring costs. Common sense shows why that won't work.

Perhaps the armed guards can do double duty and wash some vehicles whilst people charge up
 
All this environmental de carbonising caper will cause massive conflicts down the line

some countries economies are pretty much entirely based on selling oil / gas / fossil fuels

they will see economic collapse

millions of economic refugees will be on walk about

violence will erupt / armed conflict / war spilling over borders
 
Trillions of dollars will need to be given to some of these economies in aid to off set there oil and gas exports that the west no longer want ??

including Russia

these countries will lash out ?
 
IT Minion said:
EVs won't work because I won't dig up my garden is possibly the lamest reason yet. ;)

For some people it'll be easy, they'll be the ones making the leap as soon as EVs are cheaper to buy. For some people it'll be harder, so they won't get an EV for a while. But as time goes on the price will drop further compared to ICE and the hassle of owning a petrol car will be worse than redoing the lawn.

Again, this isn't going to be overnight. You've got 14 years to cling to your exhaust pipe before they won't sell you another
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I think either your crystal ball has clouded up or you are the biggest optimist ever.
 
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