Sorry... mumble mumble.....brexit.....mumble.... immigration......mumble......university of life!....???
Calm your jets, it's a discussion forum not a knowledge board for postgrad students
No real alternatives to fossil fuels ..
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I get your general point but come on, if I say in a tyre thread that I read brand a is better than brand b, I don't necessarily think I should need to cite my sources.
There is contention around this topic in the media, but not much in academia. If you fudge the assumptions enough then you can make anything seem right. It's been happening for decades.
https://slate.com/technology/2008/0...etter-for-the-environment-than-a-prius-is.amp
Its a good read.
Depressingly you either have to pick a source to trust and hope they've got it right and others have it wrong, or need to dig through each study to see if they're being fair or trying to make EVs look better, or worse (because hydrogen!) or just sell more Humvees.
The IFO paper was a pretty dodgy example of these things. Which might be why it isn't available anymore, it was never peer reviewed, just put out by a think tank. https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/electric-car-hatchet-job-debunked/
Edit: That link to Carbonbrief does an excellent job of tearing it apart.
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Apply common sense along with the basic laws of science to the claims a source makes and from that one can decide if that source is reliable.
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The fact that this government is touting the idea and willing to spaff billions of taxpayers' hard-earned implementing it is all the warnings anyone should need.
I agree whole heartedly! It's an ill thought out rush to virtue, which is going to put the UK at a serious disadvantage.
It’s you hear about now
global warming
Carbon foot print
insulate Britain
Energy efficiency
Ashp
cut down on what you buy and eat
and all the populist sound bites due to this hot air show that is kicking off in Glasgow
all win win
no mention about down sides
Job losses
Hyper thermia deaths from ashp
Deep sea mining to get rare earth metals and the damage that will do
millions of batteries dumped
jeez us wept Goebels would be proud of the propaganda being touted around by the tree hugger mob
global warming
Carbon foot print
insulate Britain
Energy efficiency
Ashp
cut down on what you buy and eat
and all the populist sound bites due to this hot air show that is kicking off in Glasgow
all win win
no mention about down sides
Job losses
Hyper thermia deaths from ashp
Deep sea mining to get rare earth metals and the damage that will do
millions of batteries dumped
jeez us wept Goebels would be proud of the propaganda being touted around by the tree hugger mob
Than you have these large companies touting there how they will be zero carbon
another load of ball cocks
all they do is employ some company to plant trees some where to off set there carbon foot print and than get a tax rebate for it
another load of ball cocks
all they do is employ some company to plant trees some where to off set there carbon foot print
and than get a tax rebate for itYou forgot flying less.It’s you hear about now
global warming
Carbon foot print
insulate Britain
Energy efficiency
Ashp
cut down on what you buy and eat
and all the populist sound bites due to this hot air show that is kicking off in Glasgow
all win win
no mention about down sides
Job losses
Hyper thermia deaths from ashp
Deep sea mining to get rare earth metals and the damage that will do
millions of batteries dumped
jeez us wept Goebels would be proud of the propaganda being touted around by the tree hugger mob
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hi-sunak-prepares-to-raise-air-passenger-duty
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And buying / having less. Everything has to be transported. Remember food miles!
It's pretty big, 16% or so:
https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector
Cargo ships would be greener if they used LPG as fuel, which is being worked on.
An interesting little chart, even if it is produced by a shipping engine mob:
(surprised by "big van") https://mwtruckparts.co.uk/what-fuel-economy-mpg-does-a-lorry-get
https://www.stg-online.org/onTEAM/shipefficiency/programm/Clausen.pdf
I can't see some form of internal combustion driven vehicles or home heating ever disappearing because it is going to be totally unrealistic to imagine that the infrastructure to support electric alternatives for them will ever be available for the for the foreseeable future. This is what makes me think we should approach the problem from a different direction. If carbon capture is available ( something I know nothing about ) then that is the sort of thing that should be pursued. I believe that there are other polutants of concern which the same research into them should be done.
You could start by scrapping that gas guzzling rusting American tat on your drive. Make a difference. You may even attract a girlfriend/boyfriend if you clean your finger nails.
For EVs, what infrastructure do you think is needed that can't be built? We're not talking about a complete switch overnight so every vehicle on the roads is electric tomorrow. It's probably around 4-10 years before the majority of cars sold will be EVs, then another 15 years or so for the old cars on the road to fall apart and get scrapped. And even then there will be some hold outs who are willing to raid chip shops for oil to keep their bangers running.
It's not like we're trying to roll out some madcap hydrogen network that doesn't exist. It's just incremental increases and changes to existing infrastructure.
How quickly do you think the electrical infrastructure can be built to support such a mass move to EV's? Add to that, it will need to also support electric heating of buildings.
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