Owen Paterson

[Justin Passing]

Angie You're contradticting yourself.
Intersex is nothing to do with gender. In some cases there may be a connection, but they are completely distinct.
Nobody is squabbling about the rights of intersex people, so it's inappropriate to conflate them. It appears to be only you who does that.

Repeat - sex assigned at birth and cannot be wrong with caveats as above. It's defined by that decision and ends there.

 

[JohnD]

Liar.

 

[AngleEyes]

Angie You're contradticting yourself.
Intersex is nothing to do with gender. In some cases there may be a connection, but they are completely distinct.
Nobody is squabbling about the rights of intersex people, so it's inappropriate to conflate them.

You are right, sex (whatever choice is made (including intersex) is nothing to with gender, but to assert that intersex can and probably does influence gender, and transitioning is hardly a contradiction.
Just like the moon influences the tides, but they are distinct entities.

Please highlight any contradiction you think I have made.

 

[AngleEyes]

Liar.

Do you want to eliminate the legal protection against discrimination that transwomen are currently entitled to?

We could go on like this for ever and a day, except I suspect the mods would step in sooner or later.

 

[AngleEyes]

Repeat - sex assigned at birth and cannot be wrong with caveats as above. It's defined by that decision and ends there.

Sex assigned at birth can be incorrect, or inappropriate, or whatever word you wish to use.

 

[JohnD]

Nobody is squabbling about the rights of intersex people, so it's inappropriate to conflate them. It appears to be only you who does that.

TRAs are not really interested in people with genital abnormality. It's just a trick to try to gain sympathy and public support.

They just want to push for added benefits for men who say "I am a woman" and want the rest of us to pretend we believe them.

 

[Tigercubrider]

I have worked with a male who decided to dress as a woman and adopt a female name. The hardest part was that (IMHO) she/he wasn't amazingly convincing. plus the name would swap between style of dress so hard to remember but calling 6 foot 2" person "Shirley" wasn't without irony.

Now, I work with a female to male colleague, as I knew them before it's sometimes hard to remember but if I make a mistake I apologise and move on. I also know a few females who prefer "they" as a pronoun.

It isn't hard, and I don't care, apart from wishing to be polite.
some of our loos at work are not divided male/female.

I don't see why people get so excited about it - other than some women may feel that it is possible for a male to "dress up" to gain access to a ladies toilet. Prisons and hospitals might be different but in modern hospitals at least, privacy is better

 

[Brigade77]

Forgive me if I have failed to keep up thus far, but has Owen Paterson begun a transition from male to female?

 

[AngleEyes]

TRAs are not really interested in people with genital abnormality. It's just a trick to try to gain sympathy and public support.

I would imagine that transgenders are far more familiar with intersex people than you are, and a lot of them are intersex people , so your observation is understandably loaded with prejudice.

They just want to push for added benefits for men who say "I am a woman" and want the rest of us to pretend we believe them.

They don't want anything more than anybody else is entitled to, so your claim is loaded with inaccuracy and prejudice.

and want the rest of us to pretend we believe them.

I'm sure they don't want your appreciation, nor your support, they just want to be left alone to live their life in peace. Their life has invariably been difficult anyway.

 

[AngleEyes]

Forgive me if I have failed to keep up thus far, but has Owen Paterson begun a transition from male to female?

You're not forgiven, do keep up!

 

[Brigade77]

I've never actually met a transexual pronoun terrorist who had a problem with how everybody else in the world thinks . . . .

How many of them are there?

 

[AngleEyes]

that it is possible for a male to "dress up" to gain access to a ladies toilet. Prisons and hospitals might be different but in modern hospitals at least, privacy is better

There will always be criminals who seek to exploit any opportunity to commit crime.
We can't mandate out of existence every potential opportunity for them to exploit roles that will facilitate their criminal behaviour. Otherwise we'd have to mandate out of existence, policemen, priests, scoutmasters, teachers, hospital electricians, doctors, dentists, sports coaches, US Presidents, Film Directors, etc, etc etc.

 

[AngleEyes]

I've never actually met a transexual pronoun terrorist who had a problem with how everybody else in the world thinks . . . .

How many of them are there?

What do they look like?

 

[EFLImpudence]

Why do trans people put 'him/her' or whatever on the bottom of emails etc?

If you are replying, or talking, to a trans person when would you use 'him/her'?
Surely it will just be 'you' which, thankfully, encompasses all.

If other people are talking about them, then it doesn't matter which gender of pronoun is used.


You/your.

 

[Brigade77]

What do they look like?

I don't know, like I said I've never actually met one. Durrrr.