How can you exclude intersex people from a discussion about transgender people.
There are a myriad of reasons why transgender people transition, intersex is obviously just one of those reasons, which might have (undoubtedly would have) affected the incorrect label assigned to them at birth.
I'm not excludng the intersex case, the thread has, so far.
It hasn't been considered in this thread so far, I believe. It's complicated; there are important differences in the issues between someone who has what might be called physical ambiguities, and someone who displays physical certainlty at birth but self-defines differently later. The discussion so far has all been about the latter, because that's where the problem lies.
I repeat for the umpteenth time, a sex label has to be assigned at birth for the birth to be registered, and there is only a choice of two options: male or female. And a birth has to be registered within the first 6 weeks (in UK).
Yes, we know, insofar as you are correct.. There's no need to repeat. The assignment at birth is essentially a
"looks more like a..." physical determination though, so it cannot be
wrong unless some for example some hidden gonads are missed or the chromosomes aren't checked. The determination may not turn out later to fit the gender of the person, but that's a different matter.
The core of the "up in arms" cis womens' grievance might be characterized by the case of the male, who later identifies as a woman allowing the person to wander about a womens' changing room and attack them, using male physical attributes.
That's not an invalid concern. it has happened.
There surely isn't a case where a female self-identifies as a man, then goes on to rape men.
In either case, it would be a tiny minority who would want to do either.
Technically yes, either could be seen as taking advantage of newly acquired rights, but let's be honest, the threat is almost entirely one-sided. It's women who are overwhelmingly more threatened. I'm not at all surprised some are livid. I daresay trans women can see that perfectly well, but as has been expressed, they have rights too.
I haven't heard a hint of a suggestion here or elsewhere for a practical and equitable solution.
