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^woody^ said:
Read the thread, not just run a spellchekka.

The point was that everyone and their dogs call this a "migrant crisis",
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It's a misnomer, it's really a refugee crisis.
There's plenty of misnomers about, which everyone and their dogs use:
Racism is another one. It's not really about discrimination and prejudice between races.
Light years is not really a measure of time, it's a measure of distance.
Chinese checkers isn't really a game of checkers, and it's not really from China.
Arabic numerals originated in India, etc.
Koala bears aren't bears.
Glow worms and fireflies aren't worms, nor flies.
Etc.
 
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AngleEyes said:
The number of refugees .... Syrian refugees alone*.
The number of refugees .... Syrian refugees alone*.

Then there's the refugees from Eritrea, Sudan, Afghanistan and Iraq, etc.

And climate change is only going exacerbate the problem.
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LOL . A refugee from climate change. WTF?

"According to the UN Refugee Convention, the definition of a refugee is someone who: ‘owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country’ (Article 1, 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees)"
Source Facts about refugees - Refugee Action (refugee-action.org.uk)
 
AngleEyes said:
It's a misnomer, it's really a refugee crisis.
There's plenty of misnomers about, which everyone and their dogs use:
Racism is another one. It's not really about discrimination and prejudice between races.
Light years is not really a measure of time, it's a measure of distance.
Chinese checkers isn't really a game of checkers, and it's not really from China.
Arabic numerals originated in India, etc.
Koala bears aren't bears.
Glow worms and fireflies aren't worms, nor flies.
Etc.
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You lose credibility with nonsense like that. LOL. You really have no argument, just gainsay and contradiction.

Step up or step away.
 
^woody^ said:
LOL . A refugee from climate change. WTF?

"According to the UN Refugee Convention, the definition of a refugee is someone who: ‘owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country’ (Article 1, 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees)"
Source Facts about refugees - Refugee Action (refugee-action.org.uk)
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I suggest you broaden your mind:
Although the effects of this emergency may not be obvious in the UK, there are parts of the world where climate change can already be seen as leading to a humanitarian crisis. In some places, the impact of a changing climate is so severe that people are not just forced away from their homes, but have had to leave their country. They are among the world’s first climate change refugees.
https://www.redcross.org.uk/get-inv...fAMpfg6zTb-ax3aw_ZABZQ-lSI0eLsIQaAqH0EALw_wcB​
That was from a lesson plan designed for 11 to 16 year olds. And the Tuvalu situation has only become seriously vulnerable to climate change in the last 4 years.

Also, as you've researched a little about refugees, i suggest you read more of your linked source.
 
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^woody^ said:
You lose credibility with nonsense like that. LOL. You really have no argument, just gainsay and contradiction.

Step up or step away.
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What? You are disagreeing about such misnomers?
I suggest you provide some creditable alternative arguments, not resort to stock insults.
 
A battle of wits with the unarmed comes to mind

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AngleEyes said:
The discussion is not a competition about who knows the most about maritime law and navigation. That has extremely little to do with it.
The discussion is about anti-immigrant campaigners trying to force their political ideology onto charitably-funded dedicated rescue organisations.
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The argument was about whether the RNLI did or did not go to meet migrant boats, working in coordination with the French authorities to ensure safe passage across the channel. Remember at the point they attempt to cross, these people, have no basis to make the crossing lawfully. That is something different, to responding to an immediate request for assistance (Mayday).

I would not expect the RNLI to routinely launch for a UK based "Securite", which is what you would describe a vessel progressing across the Channel slowly, that may be at risk of colliding with ships. Given the speed they attend, its clear this are more routine than if they were attending a Mayday (or in this case Mayday relay).

My entire observation, is that they risk being embroiled in politics between France and the UK and have clearly angered some, while securing support from others. This debate started because you dismissed something that their was evidence to support as rumour. It clearly isn't rumour.
 
motorbiking said:
The argument was about whether the RNLI did or did not....
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...endeavour to save lives on the sea.

Which is their entire purpose.

Woody has told us he doesn't mind people drowning. He would not make a good lifeboatman.

Or human being.
 
motorbiking said:
, these people, have no basis to make the crossing lawfully.
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Good God! How many times are the anti-refugee brigade going to trot out this factually incorrect nonsense?
There is nothing illegal about being a refugee!
There is nothing illegal about claiming asylum!
The only possible route to claim asylum in UK is by arriving by any means possible and claiming asylum!
3. There are no safe and lawful routes available for these people
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-ab...n=BRD_AWA_GEN_dynamic-search-ads&utm_content=​
 
JohnD said:
...endeavour to save lives on the sea.

Which is their entire purpose.
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Absolutely, it is their entire raison d'etre.
Any attempt to influence them with political dogma is disgusting and immoral.
 
motorbiking said:
The argument was about whether the RNLI did or did not go to meet migrant boats, .
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The argument is about whether the RNLI did or did not go to rescue refugees in distress.
Until you accept that fact, your argument will always be tainted and misguided by political ideology.
 
motorbiking said:
This debate started because you dismissed something that their was evidence to support as rumour. It clearly isn't rumour.
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It clearly wasn't credible evidence either.
And without credible evidence it remains as rumour, initiated by the likes of Steve Laws (immigration spokesperson for UKIP) and the Daily Mail.
 
The RNLI are doing what they are there for , rescuing people at sea that are in difficulty or who will potentially get into difficulty at sea

as for who they are or where they have come from is not relevant

those who are responsible are the people on the boats themselves , in particular those forcing there children on the boats

and the French
 
JohnD said:
He would not make a good lifeboatman.
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Too right, I get sea-sick. As opposed to all this malarkey making me sick.

However I would make a good defender of future pensions, school places, hospital and doctor wait times, housing for UK citizens, and young girls from getting abused by cultural rape gangs.

But I acknowledge that I could not do any of that job when we have RNLI ubers ferrying thousands of illegals every. single. week. in the first place. Perhaps I should learn to captain a boat. :cautious: The country would be better for it IMHO.
 
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