Get Over Yourselves

[securespark]

Guy going round slapping stickers on cars that are parked on the pavement.
The owners are moaning and are threatening to go crying to the council.

Here's a suggestion....DON'T PARK ON THE PAVEMENT!

I'm so fed up with drivers parking on the pavement I'm handing out my OWN tickets https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/179...dium=sharebar_native&utm_campaign=sharebaramp

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I'm with you...I hate cars. Cars are destroying the world.

I was going to join the other thread about electric cars where they are all anguishing about what they will "need" to do in the uncertain future of electric vs diesel vs petrol etc. but it seemed futile.

Here's a suggestion...LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT CARS!

Look at a photo of any suburban street from 50 or more years ago. There are no cars. We got by perfectly well.

 

[jj4091]

Look at a photo of any suburban street from 50 or more years ago. There are no cars. We got by perfectly well.

Oh yes I remember those days well, when there was decent public transport, horses shi**ing all over the roads, coal dust & smog everywhere..... Great days!!

 

[JP_]

The government closed down branch lines, bus routes, trams etc. and now want us all to travel by public transport.
Public transport has never been so expensive and so poor, it just does not work for anybody in the countryside. Some villages around here still only get 1 or 2 busses a day at best.
Then people moan that we have cars. Now, if all the small shops weren't forced to close, or all the high street shops, because of out-of-town-drive-in-only shopping centres and supermarkets under cut them, maybe, just maybe, some people could live without a car.

I was happy without a car in London, and again in the town centre, but out of town not having a car is just not possible if you want to function properly.

As for parking on pavements - yeah, burn the ****ers.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Oh yes I remember those days well, when there was decent public transport, horses shi**ing all over the roads, coal dust & smog everywhere..... Great days!!

Yes, and a pub on every corner!

 

[wobs]

Here's a suggestion...LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT CARS!

Look at a photo of any suburban street from 50 or more years ago. There are no cars. We got by perfectly well.

We need to design urban environments that enable such a thing. We've been building estates with low density, locking people into cars for years. That problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I don't condone stuff like parking up on pavements thus impeding pedestrians, mums with pushchairs, those with mobility issues etc.

However I will say I love having the freedom and flexibility travel wise that a car affords. Doesn't matter what way you look at it, for many, public transport doesn't come close. Sure, with planning, you can get here and there on public transport as many do. But, traffic jammed areas aside, being able to jump in the car and go wherever will always be more convenient for many.

I'm just pleased that by the time driving becomes significantly more restricted, my driving days will very likely be over.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

We need to design urban environments that enable such a thing. We've been building estates with low density, locking people into cars for years. That problem isn't going to go away anytime soon.

Funnily enough I caught some of the Greens PPB yesterday and they were talking about creating '20 minute neighbourhoods' or something like that. The idea being people should be able to walk to all required amenities within that time. As you quite rightly say, town planning has for decades favoured those with cars. It's changing now but will take years to significantly change.

 

[securespark]

I'm just pleased that by the time driving becomes significantly more restricted, my driving days will very likely be over.

I have been unable to drive due to eyesight issues for the last 10 years. Boy, how time flies.....

 

[johnny2007]

It's impossible for people in London suburbs to be without a car.
People work too far from home and the entire trip by bus and train would take 2-3 hours.
By driving to a station the travelling time is slashed to an hour or less.
It would be ideal to have work and all amenities within walking distance, but that is just not real.
Unless we become like China where they build mega factories and then skyscrapers all around it.
Do you really wish to be like China?
If your answer is yes, I suggest you pack your miserable life, your useless plastc chinese rubbish and feck off to China.
Here in UK we have a different way of life and if you don't like it, emigrate to China, morth Korea, Iran, Russia or any other shythole that you never visited but you envy just because you're anti Britain or Khant sympathiser.

 

[wobs]

It's impossible for people in London suburbs to be without a car.
People work too far from home and the entire trip by bus and train would take 2-3 hours.
By driving to a station the travelling time is slashed to an hour or less.
It would be ideal to have work and all amenities within walking distance, but that is just not real.
Unless we become like China where they build mega factories and then skyscrapers all around it.
Do you really wish to be like China?
If your answer is yes, I suggest you pack your miserable life, your useless plastc chinese rubbish and feck off to China.
Here in UK we have a different way of life and if you don't like it, emigrate to China, morth Korea, Iran, Russia or any other shythole that you never visited but you envy just because you're anti Britain or Khant sympathiser.

Not so. In the Netherlands, they have low rise apartments*, with kids play areas in the street, and little room for cars. But it wasn't always this way. In the 70s, it was a car infested hell hole.

Kids were getting killed, and there was an outcry, and so they stopped the planned destruction of the city, and focussed on people's safety. They took to the idea that a person getting killed is immoral, and so worked to make their cities safer for people. They are years ahead of us in street design.

Below is an example of how its changed, with the middle pic when it was car infested, and right hand one how it is now. They have created a culture of cycling, and kids have more freedom as a result.

Also in the 70s there:

People do drive still though, and many argue that too many do. But as there is the density, and infrastructure in place, many don't even need to drive, which frees up a lot of space.

The other extreme is Houston, which has extreme urban sprawl, and a 24 lane highway, with huge traffic jams - Induced demand in action.


* - I should add that they also have suburbs with normal housing. Its just that they have more of a choice.

 

[johnny2007]

Not so. In the Netherlands, they have low rise apartments*, with kids play areas in the street, and little room for cars. But it wasn't always this way. In the 70s, it was a car infested hell hole.

Kids were getting killed, and there was an outcry, and so they stopped the planned destruction of the city, and focussed on people's safety. They took to the idea that a person getting killed is immoral, and so worked to make their cities safer for people. They are years ahead of us in street design.

Below is an example of how its changed, with the middle pic when it was car infested, and right hand one how it is now. They have created a culture of cycling, and kids have more freedom as a result.

Also in the 70s there:

People do drive still though, and many argue that too many do. But as there is the density, and infrastructure in place, many don't even need to drive, which frees up a lot of space.

The other extreme is Houston, which has extreme urban sprawl, and a 24 lane highway, with huge traffic jams - Induced demand in action.


* - I should add that they also have suburbs with normal housing. Its just that they have more of a choice.

I'm confused.
You're saying one thing and the other.
My question is: how do they get to work 70 miles from home? (Not unusual distance for London commuters)
Do they cycle???
How do they take 3 children to three different activities in 20 minutes?
Are you sure this is a place for working class?
Because I know of many amazing places, pedestrians only, bars, restaurants, sun shining every day, but not for the working class, only for tourists and people with money who sip campari spritz for a living.

 

[wobs]

I'm confused.
You're saying one thing and the other.
My question is: how do they get to work 70 miles from home? (Not unusual distance for London commuters)
Do they cycle???

Either public transport or car.
If you live in a city with good alternatives to driving, less people will drive. And this means less cars on the road.
I recommend Not Just Bikes as a channel, but this film is a good starting point from this angle:

The channel covers all of your points and more, and is entertaining.

How do they take 3 children to three different activities in 20 minutes?

Again, if you really have such an issue, then you can drive, but in a well planned city, you shouldn't need such an arrangement, as a more densily populate area would have more things closer by.

Are you sure this is a place for working class?
Because I know of many amazing places, pedestrians only, bars, restaurants, sun shining every day, but not for the working class, only for tourists and people with money who sip campari spritz for a living.

Very much also for working class. Even their industrial estates have decent cycle paths, and they get used.

Remember, this isn't just building a cycle paths, its urban planning with a view to designing for people rather than cars. The Netherlands haven't banned cars, but have athings called Autoluw, which means most cars are excluded but not all.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Here's a suggestion...LEARN TO LIVE WITHOUT CARS!

Whilst I disagree with you on a lot of things, on this I am in agreement. There are far too many people who use a car when they could use public transport. I still have a van for work, but it only gets used at the start and end of a job - in the in between times I tend to travel by rail, bus and tram, and sometimes I'll cycle. It is possible to do this, but it does take a lot more planning and a fair degree of commitment - so if people say they can't do it what they are saying (to my mind) is that they are simply too lazy and/or selfish to be bothered. Everyone can do at least some of it

 

[transam]

Quite agree people should learn to live with out cars

all these people clogging up the road causing chaos for trades people attempting to get to there destination

same goes with some of these fruit cake head down b** up push bikers causing chaos on the high ways most of em look like complete d***s any way dressed up in there Lycra

than you have the holiday / caravan brigade jeez us wept