N. I. Protocol

[Vinty]

the problem is the DUP dont like goods appearing on supermarket shelves that originate from RoI and EU and are replacing UK goods

Even by your standards Notch, the above is the biggest load of ****** you have come out with in a long time.
There is no problem with goods from the RoI, the problem is that most of N.I.trade is to GB and the protocol is damaging that trade.
The protocol isn't designed to protect trade, it is a political and not an economic device.
It is already causing the problems it was allegedly designed to prevent.
If you seriously want to see a Labour government being elected, you need to change your attitude, all this pro EU stuff you come out with doesn't help.

 

[ajohn]

I just see 1/2 true facts being quoted by all sides. Garry on with it. What will be will be. There are several reason why anything that is agreed or just done will be nothing more than a sop.

Get your heads around what boarders between countries are and why they are there. We seem incredibly keen on maintaining ours.

 

[fillyboy]

I just see 1/2 true facts being quoted by all sides. Garry on with it

 

[Old Salt]

I dont see why goods for NI cant have a seal on them stating not for sale in the EU. I seem to remember that Spain had something similar on tobacco and booze to show duty had or had not been paid.
Wouldn't need any other paperwork then and if stuff starts to appear across the border take possession of the goods and take the offenders to court.

 

[fillyboy]

I dont see why goods for NI cant have a seal on them stating not for sale in the EU. I seem to remember that Spain had something similar on tobacco and booze to show duty had or had not been paid.
Wouldn't need any other paperwork then and if stuff starts to appear across the border take possession of the goods and take the offenders to court.

Been proposed many times along with countless other practical solutions. EU says no.

**** 'em.

 

[Odds]

Here we go again...

The lawyers must be making a fortune out of this malarkey.

And the legal device the government is relying on is very flimsy. This 'doctrine of necessity' only applies to a nation state in peril, and not, in this case, the serving Primeminister.

 

[Vinty]

The EU are now claiming that N.I.is being used by smugglers to bring stuff into the EU.
Funny thing is the EU never complained about smuggling from N.I. before, only the potential for it to happen.
Since Boris came up with legislation to try and sort this protocol nonsense out, the EU are now claiming smuggling is going on.
If the EU is genuinely concerned about illegal goods entering their territory, then the most obvious and commonsense solution to the problem is for the EU place checks on the border of EU territory, it isn't the responsibility of the UK government to police the EU border.

 

[Justin Passing]

The EU are now claiming that N.I.is being used by smugglers to bring stuff into the EU.
Funny thing is the EU never complained about smuggling from N.I. before, only the potential for it to happen.
Since Boris came up with legislation to try and sort this protocol nonsense out, the EU are now claiming smuggling is going on.
If the EU is genuinely concerned about illegal goods entering their territory, then the most obvious and commonsense solution to the problem is for the EU place checks on the border of EU territory, it isn't the responsibility of the UK government to police the EU border.

But that border's between EU and NI, which everyone wails can't exist. (WHether that's true or not I don't know, I haven't read the Goof Friday Agreement.)

 

[ellal]

It’s just the EU being spiteful to dissuade others from breaking away.

The EU is simply sticking to laws that the UK signed up to and they have been consistent throughout...

Which always gets brexiteers frothing at the mouth...

Brexiteers would rather break international law, wreck the economy and risk the return of violence rather than admit what they know is true - that they got it terribly wrong!

 

[Notch7]

Even by your standards Notch, the above is the biggest load of ****** you have come out with in a long time

its true

thats why you dont ike it

and I heard that from a guy living in Norther Ireland

the problem is that most of N.I.trade is to GB and the protocol is damaging that trade

thats not the problem

the problem is NI businesses are swapping to suppliers in RoI and EU

The protocol isn't designed to protect trade, it is a political and not an economic device

the protocol cant protect GB to NI trade

brexiters voted to put a customs border there, they have to suck it up

If you seriously want to see a Labour government being elected, you need to change your attitude, all this pro EU stuff you come out with doesn't help

you mean you dont like facts

you voted for a border, now you want to blame the EU for your actions

 

[Notch7]

Funny thing is the EU never complained about smuggling from N.I. before,

because UK was in the EU

 

[Notch7]

If the EU is genuinely concerned about illegal goods entering their territory, then the most obvious and commonsense solution to the problem is for the EU place checks on the border of EU territory, it isn't the responsibility of the UK government to police the EU border.

Vinty says he wants a land border right across Ireland with a return to checkpoints and violence

Vinty is a nutty Unionist spouting the same flat earth hogwash as Edwin Poots

 

[Mottie]

The EU is simply sticking to laws that the UK signed up to and they have been consistent throughout...

…and the UK is exercising its right to implement article 16 that they and the EU signed up to. What’s wrong with that - the EU should stop bleating about something which they signed up to.

"Article 16 of the protocol sets out the process for taking unilateral "safeguard" measures if either the EU or UK concludes that the deal is leading to serious practical problems or causing diversion of trade".

 

[Odds]

But that border's between EU and NI, which everyone wails can't exist. (WHether that's true or not I don't know, I haven't read the Goof Friday Agreement.)

No hard border between NI and the Republic is acceptable to Sinn Fein and no border between Ulster and the UK is acceptable to Unionists.
Stuffed if i know where they want the damn thing.

 

[ellal]

The EU are now claiming that N.I.is being used by smugglers to bring stuff into the EU.
Funny thing is the EU never complained about smuggling from N.I. before, only the potential for it to happen.

So what's the problem with potential becoming reality?

Especially given that prior to brexit the same opportunity didn't exist

If the EU is genuinely concerned about illegal goods entering their territory, then the most obvious and commonsense solution to the problem is for the EU place checks on the border of EU territory, it isn't the responsibility of the UK government to police the EU border.

The border is where it is because of the agreement signed up to and in accord with the Good Friday agreement (which many haven't bothered to read) to maintain international law...

But the EU are indeed trying to police their border with the UK...

And shouldn't the UK be doing the same this end?

After all isn't that what brexiteers crave - the control of 'our' borders?

Borders are two way by definition, and brexiteers are happy enough to rage at France for not stopping people smuggling