Iran

[Pat ex]

Are you seriously comparing Scottish men wearing kilts with that of Iranian women being beaten to death for failing to wear a head covering correctly?

I'm comparing the desire to wear the dress code of any group with any other group, whether it be kilts, leather jackets, overalls, lederhosen, designer clothing, dinner jackets, wedding dress, ball gown, top hat, fur coats, or whatever the group is wearing.
It's a way of showing that you belong to that group.
The beating to death for not wearing, or wearing something different has little to do with dress code, or what that 'dress code' is. and more to do with the political situation.
My original comment was responding to your disbelief that anyone would choose to wear the "dress code". Many people do choose to wear the "dress code", and if anyone can't understand it or disbelieves it, that's their problem.

He then met with a young woman and had a meal with her, outside the restaurant. No women allowed inside. She was bright and educated and was a campaigner for progress. But then she said something that surprised me. It was something along the lines of; she defends her 'right' to wear her hijab, or words to that effect. To my mind the hijab is the device that controls her and identifies her as second class in her own environment, yet she believes it is her 'right' to wear it.

I've heard it many times; 'I wear it because I choose to'. It might not be a PC thing to say, but this is BS and I believe women who support the imposition (because that's what it is!) of hijab wearing - imposed by men - are doing a disservice to women in general by trying to claim it is some sort of women's right or choice. The women in Iran just want nothing more than to be treated with common decency and respect. I hope they are able to achieve it.

As far as I am aware, there has been only one case of someone being beaten to death for not wearing the dress coded correctly. Of course that's unacceptable, but it's not normal, and is a crime in Iran. Whether the culprits will be punished for it, is another matter. Like whether the killers of Jamal Khashoggi will be punished either, or the war criminals in the Ukraine - Russia war will be punished.
The world is a ****ty place, and stirring hatred against women, or disbelieving those who choose to wear the dress code won't sort out the ****tiness.

 

[Pat ex]

He is an excuser and appeaser for the mad mullers tis what he has always done

I guess telling silly lies because you can't muster a sensible argument is what you've always done.

 

[Bod ...]

Don't go skiing, motor racing (of any sort), fencing, skateboarding, boxing, cricket, motorbiking, hospitals, dentists, snorkeling, etc. then.

None of the above offends or bothers me.. you must be a total fruit to believe anyone would..

 

[Pat ex]

None of the above offends or bothers me.. you must be a total fruit to believe anyone would..

Then why so much fuss about what people choose to wear?

I don't like what some people wear but that's not exclusive to religious clothing. I do however object to covering the the head so that only eyes and mouth can be seen......

 

[Bod ...]

I don't like what some people wear but that's not exclusive to religious clothing.

What sort of people? Criminals? Of course I don't like that sort of people. what ever gave you the idea that I did.

But, as for people who choose to wear helmets, masks, protective headgear, kilts, sarongs, kimonos, etc, I'm very comfortable among them.


Then that's your problem, not theirs.


If you can't differentiate between criminals and skiers, bikers, skateboarders, cricketers, etc, then you have a problem.
Just don't go ringing the police the next time you encounter a skier/skateboarder/cricketer, etc.


In your opinion we are uncultivated, ignorant, obnoxious people and you think you aren't?

I do however object to covering the the head so that only eyes and mouth can be seen......

If you think it's OK to wear balaclavas as an everyday dress then you really are our problem.

 

[jeds]

Then why so much fuss about what people choose to wear?

I'm not quite sure if you are being serious or just provocative? The fuss is not what people choose to wear, it is about what some women are forced to wear against their will. Take Pakistan as an example; the country is overall fairly liberal but there is still a large element of religious devotion. Watching the current cricket T20 series you see many women in the crowds not wearing headscarves. It is a free choice and that is what they choose. On the other hand you see many women who do wear headscarves. Again, it is a free choice, their choice, and that is equally fine. The difference is being free to choose. Unlike in Iran, I see no women being persecuted - and literally beaten to death - because they choose not to wear headscarves.

 

[Bod ...]

I'm not quite sure if you are being serious or just provocative? The fuss is not what people choose to wear, it is about what some women are forced to wear against their will. Take Pakistan as an example; the country is overall fairly liberal but there is still a large element of religious devotion. Watching the current cricket T20 series you see many women in the crowds not wearing headscarves. It is a free choice and that is what they choose. On the other hand you see many women who do wear headscarves. Again, it is a free choice, their choice, and that is equally fine. The difference is being free to choose. Unlike in Iran, I see no women being persecuted - and literally beaten to death - because they choose not to wear headscarves.

I worked for a Moroccan French lady years back. She made me a lovely Moroccan black coffee ️ we chatted about things mainly Islam she told me that she covered her hair so as to save her beauty for her husband. She disliked full face coverings because she thought it to be repressive.

Pat either likes repressing women or he's never had a conversation with a Muslim lady.

 

[Pat ex]

I'm not quite sure if you are being serious or just provocative? The fuss is not what people choose to wear, it is about what some women are forced to wear against their will.

There you go again, you refuse to believe that the woman in question chooses to wear a particular style of dress, because you associate it with...... whatever it is you associate it with.
Now if she chose to wear a low cut, mini-skirted dress, would you assume she had been forced to wear it?

 

[Pat ex]

I see no women being persecuted - and literally beaten to death - because they choose not to wear headscarves.

I assume you meant one woman, being beaten to death.
a) she was wearing a headscarf, but not to the satisfaction of the morality police.
b) being beaten to death is not acceptable for such an act is not acceptable in Iran, nor anywhere else, so please don't pas i off as normal, it's not.
c) we all hope that the perpetrators will be brought to justice.

 

[Pat ex]

Pat either likes repressing women or he's never had a conversation with a Muslim lady.

Bod likes telling lies, or he's never been taught to differentiate between truth and lies.

 

[Bod ...]

Bod likes telling lies, or he's never been taught to differentiate between truth and lies.

It's not lies I don't know you so how would I possibly know. But it seems you defend the abuse of women. I may be way out but that's the way it seems

 

[transam]

The mad mullah / fruit cake in charge has said that these protests
Are a conspiracy

Apparently Israel and the US are responsible

The fruit cake said that the protestors are not ordinary Iranians

 

[Pat ex]

It's not lies I don't know you so how would I possibly know. But it seems you defend the abuse of women. I may be way out but that's the way it seems

Can you find any of my posts that supports your assumption?
If not, perhaps you'd like to reassess your assumption.

But I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Bod ...]

Can you find any of my posts that supports your assumption?
If not, perhaps you'd like to reassess your assumption.

But I won't be holding my breath.

You would die if you did

 

[Trazor]

You would die if you did

No, if you were mentally strong enough to hold your breath for a long time, you would just pass out, then you would start breathing again.