Nursing shortage to increase by 1

I don't doubt it and I suspect the Unions will succeed in bringing the Govt down. What comes next will be interesting.
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Did Labour meet its spending commitment?​

Yes, broadly speaking. By 2008/9 NHS spending had increased by a factor of 2.9 compared to 1997. NHS spending (in cash terms) increased from £33.5 billion in 1997/8 to £76.4 billion in 2005/6 and is expected to have reached £96.4 billion for the financial year 2008/9 (figure 1).

 
The impact of the economic downturn on public finances means that the increases enjoyed over the past decade will not continue. The current Labour government has pledged to stick to its planned increase in NHS spending in 2010/11, which will take the total NHS budget to £105.8 billion. Thereafter, frontline NHS spending (defined as 'the 95 per cent of spending that supports patient care') will rise in line with inflation in 2011/12 and 2012/13
 
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Did Labour meet its spending commitment?​

Yes, broadly speaking. By 2008/9 NHS spending had increased by a factor of 2.9 compared to 1997. NHS spending (in cash terms) increased from £33.5 billion in 1997/8 to £76.4 billion in 2005/6 and is expected to have reached £96.4 billion for the financial year 2008/9 (figure 1).


"I for one wouldn't knock Labours performance on the NHS, some of the highest spending ever was under Blair"
 
11% in my industry would be low, you gotta make room for the young to move up. Its only really an issue if there wasn't a good source of new recruits.

Let's suppose, for example, that the CEO had said he would increase manpower by 50,000 due to being unable to cope with the workload.

And recruited 45,000

And 40,000 left.

Good?
 
I've had cause to visit hospitals several times in recent years - you do as you get older and everyone you know starts to fade away.....

There are some wonderful nurses and doctors, as the cliché goes, but they are few and far between. Mostly I've seen extremely apathetic staff and poor care, this despite the NHS consuming more money than possibly anything else in the world.

Noise and indiscipline. It wasn't like this in my Mother's day. She was a nurse in the days of Matrons and Orderlies. They were people to be respected. Now the NHS is a feeding frenzy for drug companies, foreign parasites, union loonies, part-time working on the side doctors and venal management credentialists. All at the expense of the patient.

I am not against the NHS in principle, but the current example is a hideous monster, an uncontrollable, untouchable behemoth.

When I die I hope I am nowhere near the NHS.
 
I've had cause to visit hospitals several times in recent years - you do as you get older and everyone you know starts to fade away.....

There are some wonderful nurses and doctors, as the cliché goes, but they are few and far between. Mostly I've seen extremely apathetic staff and poor care, this despite the NHS consuming more money than possibly anything else in the world.

Noise and indiscipline. It wasn't like this in my Mother's day. She was a nurse in the days of Matrons and Orderlies. They were people to be respected. Now the NHS is a feeding frenzy for drug companies, foreign parasites, union loonies, part-time working on the side doctors and venal management credentialists. All at the expense of the patient.

I am not against the NHS in principle, but the current example is a hideous monster, an uncontrollable, untouchable behemoth.

When I die I hope I am nowhere near the NHS.
I see it very differently to you.

Very caring, and overworked staff is what I see. Could not have had better care for both my Mother and Father. And on the times I have needed them, always happy with their efforts.
 
Yes, it's terrible that the workload is so great that the workers are unable to cope.

No wonder they become exhausted and demoralised

Andy obliquely refers to older people such as himself being an increasing drain on NHS resources. Can he not realise that the aging population is the source of the excess demand he complains about?

After years of mean-spirited contempt by our Conservative governments, the pay is so low that many are seeking to better themselves with jobs in retail.

Resignations are so far a little under a thousand a week.
 
After years of mean-spirited contempt by our Conservative governments, the pay is so low that many are seeking to better themselves with jobs in retail.

The story I read quoted jobs in hospitality. Is the average pay in hospitality over 34K a year?
Resignations are so far a little under a thousand a week.

Resignations, early retirements because the pension pot is too big so not tax efficient or simply retirement?, As long as more people join than leave (which is the current case), it's irrelevant.
 
The story I read quoted jobs in hospitality. Is the average pay in hospitality over 34K a year?


Resignations, early retirements because the pension pot is too big so not tax efficient or simply retirement?, As long as more people join than leave (which is the current case), it's irrelevant.
i though it was only GPs that where effected by the "tax wall" where imbalances meant working on was heavily penalized by a great hike in tax above a certain level ??
 
It's way past time that people stopped promoting the toxic myth that 'taxpayers fund govt'. Of course they don't.

I mean, Beardsley Ruml published his 'Taxes for Revenue are Obsolete' paper in 1945.
more MMT hogwash.
 
We cannot fund the NHS on an unlimited basis - As with all public sector spend it has to managed

that’s true.

We should start by stopping Tory govt siphoning off NHS money into the hands of their mates.
 
I tend to believe what 'Full Fact org' say. Thems the figures, people on here won't like them because it goes against their argument. **** em.
And what does Full Fact.org say?
What are their figures?
 
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