Thanks Valspar

[opps]

I am under pressure to paint a summer house and finish on Sunday. I used Dulux Trade for the main part of the room- no problems.

The en suite however is proving to be a pain. The walls in the en suite were painted with a dark blue, low sheen valspar paint. The customer decided to go for the same colour again but in a matt Valspar bathroom paint.

After two coats I can see that I need to apply more coats.

How on earth can any paint be so bad that you need to apply 3 or more coats over the same colour?

It is only the second time that I have used Valspar paints. I hope it is the last

 

[RandomGrinch]

We had a moderately sized foyer refurbishment - our institution had a consortium contract with Crown paints.
For fire rating purposes, we had to specify Timonox.
The paint was a dark blue, covering over a light cream.
After two coats, the results were truly terrible.
I think they got to five or six coats in the end!

 

[sparkwright]

I'm trying to imagine putting the same colour paint over old existing paint - presumably you are getting streaks?

Did you give the old surface a light sanding first?

 

[conny]

Did you wash down with sugar soap and then rub down the original coat to roughen the surface?
In an en-suite there may be residues of soap/shampoo etc. Rubbing down with glasspaper would break the surface and give a key to the fresh paint.

 

[sxturbo]

I've only used the top spec valspar (they do 3 from memory)

It worked fine, no issues and the coverage was good,.my dad also painted his whole house in valspar but he went for the middle one and highly recommended it.

Valspar are owned by Sherwin Williams and valspar themselves aren't a new firm.

I have heard similar stories elsewhere though and I'm not sure if it's poor quality control, or the way it's mixed at store, or if it's paint colour specific

 

[opps]

I'm trying to imagine putting the same colour paint over old existing paint - presumably you are getting streaks?

Did you give the old surface a light sanding first?

I sanded the old paint first.

After coat number 2 you could see darker and lighter blue spots.

I have now applied a third coat but it was still wet when I left site.

 

[opps]

Did you wash down with sugar soap and then rub down the original coat to roughen the surface?
In an en-suite there may be residues of soap/shampoo etc. Rubbing down with glasspaper would break the surface and give a key to the fresh paint.

I sanded it down. There was no need to wash the walls. It is 2-3 year old summer house that has probably only had anyone stay in it for about 3 weeks over that period.

 

[opps]

I've only used the top spec valspar (they do 3 from memory)

It worked fine, no issues and the coverage was good,.my dad also painted his whole house in valspar but he went for the middle one and highly recommended it.

Valspar are owned by Sherwin Williams and valspar themselves aren't a new firm.

I have heard similar stories elsewhere though and I'm not sure if it's poor quality control, or the way it's mixed at store, or if it's paint colour specific

The only other time I have used Valspar was a cream colour on new plaster. The coverage was fine but the texture was odd. when you ran your hand over the finish, it almost felt as if someone had sprinkled the surface with a very, very fine sand.

I have heard that they have varying qualities of paint. I think this is the bathroom premium, but for all I know there may be a super premium (I wouldn't surprised if the Kingfisher group asked them to lower the quality to keep costs down, as they do with the likes of Dewalt- or maybe not).

Over the years, I have experienced "letterboxing" with some dark matts. Nothing like this though. And this isn't even letter boxing. This is slightly thicker bits of paint being darker than slightly thinner bits.

It almost looks like I applied the pint over a completely different colour, hence requiring more coats.

 

[Wayners]

V700 now called premium and the trade mixes are good imo.
Like all scrubbable/ durable paints you must stick to the recoat times (4+hours) so two coats is all your going to get on in a day.
Other problem people have is not getting enough on and tend to run the roller out vs getting a good coat on.
That's one of the biggest problems decs have with the premium paints. They are thinner and go on well so they run it out thinking this is great only to get a poor finish. If you ever watch a demonstration it's like omg. Look how much they are applying.
Also got to be carful going over contract matts with these durable paints. They rather stick to brush or roller than to the contract dry emulsion so you need to be aware, although that's not what we are talking about.
So many different paints with different characteristics you need to change your rollers and brushes plus application techniques to match the surface with the chosen paint. Temperature and humidity is also a factor for both paint and surface.
Yeah. It's got more technical over the last few years with developments in resins and tools.

Most DIY people stick to dulux paints with the dog on with the added thixotropic agent in paint.

 

[sxturbo]

The only other time I have used Valspar was a cream colour on new plaster. The coverage was fine but the texture was odd. when you ran your hand over the finish, it almost felt as if someone had sprinkled the surface with a very, very fine sand.

I have heard that they have varying qualities of paint. I think this is the bathroom premium, but for all I know there may be a super premium (I wouldn't surprised if the Kingfisher group asked them to lower the quality to keep costs down, as they do with the likes of Dewalt- or maybe not).

Over the years, I have experienced "letterboxing" with some dark matts. Nothing like this though. And this isn't even letter boxing. This is slightly thicker bits of paint being darker than slightly thinner bits.

It almost looks like I applied the pint over a completely different colour, hence requiring more coats.

yeah it is strange, i'm not sure what the setup is with B & Q whether they have much of a say in the paint provided or not.

to get b & q away from dulux they must have offered either a stupidly cheap price or given them more control over the paint mixing process

 

[Wayners]

I was at the valspar stand today at Coventry painting decorating show.
They have rebranded with the trade paint made in UK. Think they want to separate the retail side from the trade in the range.
The other products are made elsewhere in Germany I think they said and more for diy although I do like the premium.
Trade is most matt and really good vs the diy premium matt with slight sheen. I find it OK though as a matt.
It's all so different you can't just look at the word valspar and think it's all the same.
You also can pop lid and start lashing on without thinking about surface. Painting has got technical