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[ellal]

I personally believe there is, the republicans and the right wing have realised it's easy to manipulate ignorant people and have weaponised misinformation. You saw it with Trump, he says some outrageous nonsense, Fox news repeats it, suddenly it's all over twitter like it's fact.

Well it's certainly worked in the UK as well...

Dumb down enough of the electorate and also rely on the votes of those too senile to have a clue what's going on and you get the result you crave!

 

[wobs]

So your issue is tax not climate change? Taxes and climate change are completely separate issues, personally I don't think taxes are high enough. How much profit should industry be allowed to make at the expense of the environment? Is Shell's one year profit of £32 billion after tax not enough for you? Poor BP only made £23 billion, damn that tax man! Good thing they've got climate change deniers fighting their corner, they obviously need the help! One day they'll catch up to Exxon's £46 billion after tax profit. It's a disgusting level of profit when average people are being hit by a cost of living crisis. Hell, it's a disgusting level of profit, full stop.

Don't forget that Exxon knew about AGW in the 1970s, and certain industry bodies knew as early as the 1950s:

A trove of internal documents and research papers has previously established that Exxon knew of the dangers of global heating from at least the 1970s, with other oil industry bodies knowing of the risk even earlier, from around the 1950s. They forcefully and successfully mobilized against the science to stymie any action to reduce fossil fuel use.


A new study, however, has made clear that Exxon’s scientists were uncannily accurate in their projections from the 1970s onwards, predicting an upward curve of global temperatures and carbon dioxide emissions that is close to matching what actually occurred as the world heated up at a pace not seen in millions of years.

And:

Armed with this knowledge, Exxon embarked upon a lengthy campaign to downplay or discredit what its own scientists had confirmed. As recently as 2013, Rex Tillerson, then chief executive of the oil company, said that the climate models were “not competent” and that “there are uncertainties” over the impact of burning fossil fuels.

Revealed: Exxon made ‘breathtakingly’ accurate climate predictions in 1970s and 80s

Oil company drove some of the leading science of the era only to publicly dismiss global heating

www.theguardian.com

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I don't think they'd believe it even if their house was on fire, they'd stay inside and say it's fake news. The hectares of UK affected by wildfires has increased over 2300% in the last 6 years (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1322219/area-burned-by-wildfire-in-the-uk/) but it's "completely natural".

The one certainty, is that the climate will change, just as it has always done.

 

[Dork Lard]

In all of my lifetime so far I have known of only 1 (ONE) weather event in this country that alarmed me. That was the hurricane that hit southern UK in 1987, famous for Michael Fish's incorrect report. I was working down there at the time & remember all of us in the digs being worried about the roof blowing off. The devastation we saw the next day I have not seen the likes of since, but we were in the building trade & welcomed the work it brought us.

Please make known to me any other extreme weather event that I may have slept through.

 

[Brigadier]

The one certainty, is that the climate will change, just as it has always done.

And the grass will grow. Doesn't stop people cutting it.

And paint will dull. Doesn't stop people redecorating.

And mortar will crumble. Doesn't stop people repointing.

 

[Dork Lard]

The one certainty, is that the climate will change, just as it has always done.

We have NEVER enjoyed a stable climate, the weather has ALWAYS been changing. This is why they have their "climate deniers", who many see as "realists".

 

[Brigadier]

Anthropomorphic.

 

[AkiraDIY]

But, but, but . . . . . How can we be climate change deniers when we're saying the climate is changing???

I bet all those scientists that disagree it's man made climate change & we just need to stop using our motor cars are in bed with all those scientists who disagreed with lockdowns & masks & untested vaccines & . . . . .

I'm still waiting to know what CO2 taxes you think you are/will be paying due to all this "climate change nonsense"

The one certainty, is that the climate will change, just as it has always done.

yes and it's also a certainty that the planet will still be present for another million years at least. It'll just be a lifeless rock of sandy continents and acidic oceans in a couple 100 years. But who cares about the details right?

Noone has said the climate doesn't change, the issue is the rate it's occurring at. But that concept is too complicated for some it seems

 

[RandomGrinch]

Anthropomorphic.

I thought we were talking about 'Anthropogenic'?

 

[wobs]

The one certainty, is that the climate will change, just as it has always done.

Climate has been remarkably stable for 9500 to 12000 years, enabling civilisations to rise/fall, and modern civilisation to develop as it has.

Climate change and the rise and fall of civilizations – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Shifts in climate – both large and small – are at least partly responsible for the rise and fall of many ancient civilizations. Could today's climate change threaten our modern way of life? NASA satellites are helping to uncover secrets of the past, with an eye to the future.

climate.nasa.gov

 

[AkiraDIY]

In all of my lifetime so far I have known of only 1 (ONE) weather event in this country that alarmed me. That was the hurricane that hit southern UK in 1987, famous for Michael Fish's incorrect report. I was working down there at the time & remember all of us in the digs being worried about the roof blowing off. The devastation we saw the next day I have not seen the likes of since, but we were in the building trade & welcomed the work it brought us.

Please make known to me any other extreme weather event that I may have slept through.

So what you're saying is that it's only alarming if you're personally involved? That's a pretty hard and selfish metric for other people to live by.

How about Burns day storm 1990 that killed 47 people, Cyclone Oratia in 2000 that had higher average wind and gust speeds than 1987, severe flooding in 2000, beast from the east in 2018, saddleworth wildfires in 2018 that burned 8km2, The River Don flooding in Doncaster 2019, Storm Ciara 2020, Storm Bella 2020, Storm Darcy 2021, Storm Arwin 2021, and Storm Enuice 2022 all bringing average wind speeds faster than the wind speed of the great storm of 1987?

Notice how in the last 3 years we've had 5 (FIVE) 90-100mph+ storms when the "only 1 (ONE)" you remember was 1987 that had wind speeds of 86mph and gusts above 100mph? Coincidence or do these not count because you weren't personally in the area?

 

[Dork Lard]

So what you're saying is that it's only alarming if you're personally involved? That's a pretty hard and selfish metric for other people to live by.

When you start to put your words in other peoples mouths, then you expose nothing more than that what is in your mind.

It is not only rude, it is dispicable if used to enforce your point. However feeble that may be.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Climate has been remarkably stable for 9500 to 12000 years, enabling civilisations to rise/fall, and modern civilisation to develop as it has.

Climate change and the rise and fall of civilizations – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Shifts in climate – both large and small – are at least partly responsible for the rise and fall of many ancient civilizations. Could today's climate change threaten our modern way of life? NASA satellites are helping to uncover secrets of the past, with an eye to the future.

climate.nasa.gov

Er, did you read that, before posting the link - It rather supports the idea that the climate has always changed, leading to the rise and fall of civilisations.

 

[wobs]

In all of my lifetime so far I have known of only 1 (ONE) weather event in this country that alarmed me. That was the hurricane that hit southern UK in 1987, famous for Michael Fish's incorrect report. I was working down there at the time & remember all of us in the digs being worried about the roof blowing off. The devastation we saw the next day I have not seen the likes of since, but we were in the building trade & welcomed the work it brought us.

Please make known to me any other extreme weather event that I may have slept through.

He/she did make known to you "any other extreme weather event that" that you may have slept through.

When you start to put your words in other peoples mouths

No, AD really didn't.

 

[Dork Lard]

No, AD really didn't.

Have you already finished re-reading that article you posted, the one that doesn't back your claim that our climate has been remarkably stable?

Perhaps you should not focus on the pictures & actually read the text, maybe get your responsible adult to help you move your finger across the page.