Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Draft Bill

[Notch7]

. If my family and I were being persecuted to the extent that I needed to get them out of the country to safety, I'd take them all and stop at the first safe country we came to.

So why did not every single Ukrainian stay in Poland?

none of them needed to come here by your reasoning

What I would NOT do is leave them there, pìss off on my own, travel through several safe countries,

most of them do stay in neighboring countries

not many come to the UK, only a small number

3.8 million in Turkey
2 million in Jordan
lots in Italy and Greece
etc etc

The fact is displaced people disperse widely, which makes sense as some people have connections to particular countries -some have family in UK, some just speak the language



Its very easy for Mottie to say what he would do, whilst he sits in a nice warm house with no mortgage

 

[noseall]

If these asylum seekers were scooped up on the beach and flown straight to safety in Rwanda while their claim was processed, how many do you think would still pay the traffickers thousands of pounds to come over here by boat?

Depending where they lived, I suppose a chunk would make their way straight to Rwanda, if they thought it was safer than the journey.

 

[Notch7]

72,000 applied via safe legal routes last year. That doesn't sound like a closed door

dishonest response, you know very well there is no legal route at all for a lot of people in countries suffering the worst persecution.

there is no legal route for people from: Syria, Eritrea, Iraq, Iran, Yemen

and there is effectively no legal route for people from Afghanistan

 

[Notch7]

If you think it's a dishonest claim. How many who arrived by small boat, didn't pay traffickers?

pathetic strawman

you said: "Small boat people pay traffickers to jump the queue"

they dont do it because they want to jump the queue, they do it because its the ONLY option

 

[motorbiking]

they dont do it because they want to jump the queue, they do it because its the ONLY option

So these people have no possibility of safety crossing through, Turkey, Greece, Germany, Italy, Croatia, France etc.
and Britain has not resettled almost 500,000 people via safe legal routes. The government must be telling fibs then:

Safe and legal routes

www.gov.uk

This is the reality of small boat crossings. Gangs, organised crime, more crime for the UK.

A people smuggler who sends migrants across the Channel reveals how the illicit small boats trade really works

In an interview with Sky News, a people smuggler claims that the majority of his fellow criminals choose to settle in Britain and invest their money here - and discusses the "mafia" networks that cause tragedies at sea.

news.sky.com

Genuine refugees have many options. 3.8m in turkey seem to have managed to find them.

Britain has grown by 7M in the last 20 years due to immigration, freedom of movement, illegal immigration etc. The vast majority are law abiding bringers of value to our culture and country. A small number are organised criminals. Making the boat crossing toxic and unattractive is the best way to destroy these gangs.

 

[wobs]

Yawn. I’ll say it again and I’ll type slowly especially for you. If my family and I were being persecuted to the extent that I needed to get them out of the country to safety, I'd take them all and stop at the first safe country we came to. What I would NOT do is leave them there, pìss off on my own, travel through several safe countries, pay thousands to a criminal gang to risk my life crossing the worlds busiest shipping channel in a rubber dinghy and wait for fùck knows how long to get asylum status while they remained behind. What would you do?

Over 6million people fled Syria. Do you think it acceptable that their neighbours take all of them?
We took a tiny proportion of that. Most stayed in other countries (understatement).

It is presumptuous of you to judge them how they should behave, when you don't know their circumstances.

Meanwhile the Tories have thoroughly politicised the issue, and seem to enjoy failing to deal with the issue, as it makes the right headlines for them.

 

[motorbiking]

How many should we take then?

 

[Notch7]

So these people have no possibility of safety crossing through, Turkey, Greece, Germany, Italy, Croatia, France etc.

Please stick to the point being discussed, I know you want to divert because youve been caught out and you refuse to admit it

I repeat:

you said: "Small boat people pay traffickers to jump the queue"

you are trying to claim small boat people do it to jump the queue, that is simply dishonest, there is no queue, there are no legal routes for them to apply for asylum in the UK


You cant jump a queue that doesnt exist -what is it with Tories, its just like the Rwanda bill: both are trying to rewrite facts

 

[Notch7]

How many should we take then?

how many should every other country take?

Do you think we should none and France, Germany, Italy etc etc take more?

 

[Mottie]

Do you think it acceptable that their neighbours take all of them?

I don’t think it acceptable that they fund criminal gangs and risk their lives getting from one safe country to another. Do you?

 

[motorbiking]

Please stick to the point being discussed, I know you want to divert because youve been caught out and you refuse to admit it

I repeat:

you said: "Small boat people pay traffickers to jump the queue"

you are trying to claim small boat people do it to jump the queue, that is simply dishonest, there is no queue, there are no legal routes for them to apply for asylum in the UK


You cant jump a queue that doesnt exist -what is it with Tories, its just like the Rwanda bill: both are trying to rewrite facts

But that is nonsense, because around 500,000 people have been granted protection in the UK via safe legal routes.
If you turn up, without anything, you need to be looked after, housed, fed, clothed, given medical help. etc. The small boat people place a massive burden on the UK tax payer and resources. These people, jump the queue, because their need is immediate.

Every person who comes illegally takes the resources that could be allocated to those coming legally.

 

[Mottie]

Depending where they lived, I suppose a chunk would make their way straight to Rwanda, if they thought it was safer than the journey.

Then they should be given any and all assistance to do so. Perhaos they should declare that when they first step ashore.

 

[motorbiking]

how many should every other country take?

Do you think we should none and France, Germany, Italy etc etc take more?

Do you even know the numbers who are successfully granted in France vs UK? Thats all the numbers, not just the illegals.

 

[Mottie]

So why did not every single Ukrainian stay in Poland?

Because they were invited here

 

[motorbiking]

along with 500,000 other people. That'll be our government extending the generosity of British people to protect those in need who are happy to play by the rules we set.