Insurance fraud?

[Avocet]

They are. They are extremely profitable. This is the reason Warren Buffett runs an insurance company.

Profitable from selling insurance services, NOT from selling written-off cars! You really are utterly clueless, aren't you? Insurance companies make their money by charging people insurance premiums. What they actually WANT, is for you to cough-up you insurance premium and NOT "total" your car! If you write your car off, they have LOST money on you that year, because the payout for your written-off car (let alone any damage you might have done to a 3rd party with it) will be more than the premium you paid. Haven't you noticed how they offer those things called "no-claims" discounts"? How does your business case work, if (as you claim), it's more lucrative for them to sell your written-off car to someone? Wouldn't you have thought they'd be positively encouraging people to write their cars off? Have you any idea how utterly ridiculous you sound to anyone with even half a brain? (It's OK, that was a rhetorical question...)

Done that how many times? 2 times?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us how many write-offs, you've bought back off insurance companies?

We intend to. We had big oil behind us. Now we have big insurance behind us. Next, we will have big trump behind us. We can't lose.

Wow... "Stockholm syndrome" really is a thing with you, isn't it?! You really think Big Oil (or Trump) care about you?! Really?! You're getting your butt kicked every time you fill up, and like the good little sheep that you are, you just keep on coming back for more...

 

[Avocet]

Oh, I thought it was the other way round. No wonder I'd been losing money all these years.

I think we can add "business advice" to the (long and growing) list of things never to ask Nutjob's advice on, along with how to jack a car up, how to invalidate your insurance with pattern parts, and and how often to change your oil...

 

[morqthana]

I don't enjoy it, in fact, I miss my real "luxury" cars.

86% of the cars on Autotrader are ICEVs.

Are none of them "luxury"?

But I have no choice because the scambag politicians have classed me as the destroyer of the planet.
3000 miles/year in cars that never failed to pass emission tests at mot.

Those tests do not include checking/measuring CO2 emissions though, do they.

Instead, to save the planet they want me to join the millions leasing ev and changing them every 3 years.
I kept my cars never less than 10 years.
Figure that out.

I must have missed the change in the law which made leasing an EV compulsory and buying/selling ICEVs illegal.

 

[Avocet]

I don't enjoy it, in fact, I miss my real "luxury" cars.

EVs redefine "luxury"! Even a relatively low-end EV has levels of driveline refinement that the likes of Mercedes, Bentley and Rolls Royce could only dream of. My current car is the most luxurious I've ever actually driven. If it's luxury you're wanting, EVs have it in spades...

https://www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com/en_GB/showroom/spectre.html

But I have no choice because the scambag politicians have classed me as the destroyer of the planet.
3000 miles/year in cars that never failed to pass emission tests at mot.

The most urgent environmental problem facing the planet, is climate change. (Or at least, so the scientists tell us). I happen to believe them too. I know not everybody does, but I can assure you that over the last few weeks, a few more people in Valencia might have changed their views.... And with every "extreme weather event" that happens, a few more people start to think: "Hmmmm... maybe there's something in this after all..."?

The problem with the MOT test, is that it doesn't measure CO2 emissions, so even my gaffer's (tuned), 7 litre 1968 Mustang, will breeze through an MOT, even though its CO2 emissons, per mile, are not far of what you'd get out of a supertanker! The fact that your cars pass their MOT tests on emissions, doesn't mean they don't contribute to climate change.

However, at 3000 miles a year, they won't contribute very much to it. You don't say how many you have, but one car, doing 3000 miles a year, (even if it's my boss' Mustang), won't make much difference. In fact, if your total annual mileage really is only 3000 miles a year, it's not going to be worth you getting an EV, because it's likely to be 6 or 7 years before it breaks even on its additional manufacturing CO2 emissions. I have an old petrol car that also does naff-all miles each year, and I don't beat myself up about it. The main thing, was to swap the diesel that I was doing 20,000 miles a year in, for an EV. That was my biggest polluter. If anything, switching my high mileage car to an EV, will just make the oil last that bit longer for my "Sunday car"!

Instead, to save the planet they want me to join the millions leasing ev and changing them every 3 years.
I kept my cars never less than 10 years.
Figure that out.

No, I don't think they do. I don't think the government gives the proverbial monkey's %$£* how you finance your car. Lease it, hire it, buy it outright... I don't think I've ever seen any government communication that has expressed an option one way or the other? Similarly, I think they'd be delighted if you bought an EV and kept it for 10 years...

 

[Avocet]

It amuses me when I mot test somebody's baby and fail it or give it a long list of advisories.

I always get told it's never been a problem before.

Theres an awful lot of cars that scrape through an mot but shouldn't really be on the road. Most fall into the "it's better than any new car" (ev or ice)

Quite. And when they fail on something that's going to be really expensive to fix, the owners will often pour some more money int that black hole, whilst still telling anyone who'll listen, that EVs are ruinously expensive to keep, and how their old ICE car has never cost them anything except fuel and tyres...

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

EVs redefine "luxury"! Even a relatively low-end EV has levels of driveline refinement that the likes of Mercedes, Bentley and Rolls Royce could only dream of. My current car is the most luxurious I've ever actually driven. If it's luxury you're wanting, EVs have it in spades...

Oh, come on - you be trying to convince us next, that it can fly..

The most urgent environmental problem facing the planet, is climate change. (Or at least, so the scientists tell us). I happen to believe them too. I know not everybody does, but I can assure you that over the last few weeks, a few more people in Valencia might have changed their views.... And with every "extreme weather event" that happens, a few more people start to think: "Hmmmm... maybe there's something in this after all..."?

The world's climate, is doing what it has always done, and will always do - changed. Extreme climate events have always happened, though out history. Not much you, or I, or anyone can really do about it.

If you were really convinced we could do something about, and serious, then you would be driving so many miles as you claim to be doing in your EV. EV's are not very green to build, nor are they are green, as you seem to suggest, to fuel.

 

[morqthana]

The world's climate, is doing what it has always done, and will always do - changed.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Oh, come on - you be trying to convince us next, that it can fly..



The world's climate, is doing what it has always done, and will always do - changed. Extreme climate events have always happened, though out history. Not much you, or I, or anyone can really do about it.

If you were really convinced we could do something about, and serious, then you would be driving so many miles as you claim to be doing in your EV. EV's are not very green to build, nor are they are green, as you seem to suggest, to fuel.

For somebody that wants to appear clever, that's a very poor argument

 

[Avocet]

Oh, come on - you be trying to convince us next, that it can fly..

So... which EVs have you driven recently, and in what respect did you find them wanting in terms of refinement or luxury?

The world's climate, is doing what it has always done, and will always do - changed. Extreme climate events have always happened, though out history. Not much you, or I, or anyone can really do about it.

As I keep saying to you (although I don't really think it's going in ), it is the rate at which it is currently changing that is causing the world's scientists the concern. Morqthana's wee graph shows it quite well. Maybe that will help you understand?

If you were really convinced we could do something about, and serious, then you would be driving so many miles as you claim to be doing in your EV.

Did you mean to write that?

EV's are not very green to build, nor are they are green, as you seem to suggest, to fuel.

So you keep telling us. What usually happens next, is that I invite you to put some numbers on those claims so that we can do a like-for-like comparison with an equivalent ICE, but for some strange reason, you never quite seem to get round to doing that...

 

[Avocet]

Was that Status Quo playing at the opening of Stonehenge?

 

[johnny2007]

EVs redefine "luxury"! Even a relatively low-end EV has levels of driveline refinement that the likes of Mercedes, Bentley and Rolls Royce could only dream of. My current car is the most luxurious I've ever actually driven. If it's luxury you're wanting, EVs have it in spades...

Pure comedy
I assume that your standard of luxury is a Fiat 127

I think they'd be delighted if you bought an EV and kept it for 10 years...

It won't last!
And even if it did, it would be worth nothing.
Who's so stupid to spend £100k on a Tesla and keep it for 10 years so to be left penniless


That graph up there is pure fantasy from 2000 onwards.
Pure speculation.
I remember when the "scientists" started the disaster fairy tale in the 80s.
So far they haven't got one of their prediction right, not a single one.
I remember the "experts" who said that in 2010 London would have tropical climate and be on the beach: they conned me!
There's no beach here (it's still where it was in the 80s) and it's still as cold as ever.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So... which EVs have you driven recently, and in what respect did you find them wanting in terms of refinement or luxury?

What do you suppose your car has in the form of luxury, which is not already in my car?

So you keep telling us. What usually happens next, is that I invite you to put some numbers on those claims so that we can do a like-for-like comparison with an equivalent ICE, but for some strange reason, you never quite seem to get round to doing that...

I am arguing against a religion, and it is well known that people with a religion, will not be turned by facts..

 

[Avocet]

Pure comedy
I assume that your standard of luxury is a Fiat 127

Looks like I need to ask you the same question as Mr. Bloomfield then... which EVs have you driven recently, and in what respect did you find them wanting in terms of refinement or luxury?

It won't last!

Plenty of 10 year old EVs around now. Seem to be lasting just fine...

And even if it did, it would be worth nothing.

You're obviously a man of substantial means if you're looking for a 10 year old "luxury" motor and you think they're worth "nothing"! Tell me what "luxury car" you currently drive and we'll see if we can find you a similar spec EV for the money...

Meanwhile, here are some 10 year old Teslas that are worth "nothing"...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&make=Tesla&postcode=M15GD&sort=relevance&year-from=2014&year-to=2015

Who's so stupid to spend £100k on a Tesla and keep it for 10 years so to be left penniless

Dunno? Maybe someone who has worked out how much he's going to get his butt kicked in ICE fuel over that period and decided to save big?

That graph up there is pure fantasy from 2000 onwards.
Pure speculation.

You don't think we had the technology to measure temperatures pretty accurately back in 2000? Are you talking 2000 BC here?

I remember when the "scientists" started the disaster fairy tale in the 80s.
So far they haven't got one of their prediction right, not a single one.
I remember the "experts" who said that in 2010 London would have tropical climate and be on the beach: they conned me!
There's no beach here (it's still where it was in the 80s) and it's still as cold as ever.

I'm sure they didn't, really... You do know the difference between "climate" and "a beach" don't you?

• Sea level rise: Scientists have observed rising sea levels.
  
  
  
• Melting ice: Glaciers and ice sheets are melting.
  
  
  
• Heat waves: Heat waves are becoming more intense.
  
  
  
• Severe weather: Weather damage is increasing and becoming more severe.
  
  
  
• Coral extinction: Coral ecosystems are being lost.
  
  
  
• Food nutrition loss: The nutritional value of food is decreasing.
  
  
  
• Global warming: ExxonMobil's internal projections of global warming from carbon dioxide emissions were accurate. The company predicted that global warming would increase by 0.20° ± 0.04 degrees Celsius per decade.
  
  
  
• IPCC predictions: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has made predictions that closely match observed changes in climate.
  
  
  
• Suki Manabe's prediction: In 1967, Nobel prize-winning Suki Manabe correctly predicted surface warming and stratospheric cooling.

 

[Avocet]

What do you suppose your car has in the form of luxury, which is not already in my car?

Might help if I knew what your car actually was...

I am arguing against a religion, and it is well known that people with a religion, will not be turned by facts..

Oh! Sorry! Did I miss the "facts" in your post? Do, please, point them out...

 

[johnny2007]

which EVs have you driven recently, and in what respect did you find them wanting in terms of refinement or luxury?

Been in my friend's Tesla. A piece of junk with plastic from milk bottles everywhere. Seat uncomfortable and that touchscreen distracting the driver for everything they need to operate. A piece of junk.
My mum's Peugeot 104 was better.

Plenty of 10 year old EVs around now. Seem to be lasting just fine...

Sure, with batteries lasting 20 miles...

Tell me what "luxury car" you currently drive and we'll see if we can find you a similar spec EV for the money...

I drive a scrap now thanks to the emperor's ULEZ scam.
I used to drive an A6 LeMans, full optional at factory.
As good as new after 14 years on the road.

Meanwhile, here are some 10 year old Teslas that are worth "nothing".

They're for sale, that'snot the market value. Besides, for cars costing as much as a house, that'sa massive loss for the owner after 10 years. And some fools will buy them to do 20 miles to full charge

Dunno? Maybe someone who has worked out how much he's going to get his butt kicked in ICE fuel over that period and decided to save big?

Save???
Do you really think electricity is free?
I won't be surprised if a full charge on those 2 ton elephants is as expensive as a full tank of fuel (for less than half the mileage)

You don't think we had the technology to measure temperatures pretty accurately back in 2000? Are you talking 2000 BC here?

2000, 24 years ago.
There's their prediction going horizontal towards a toasting planet: pure fiction.

I'm sure they didn't, really... You do know the difference between "climate" and "a beach" don't you?

• Sea level rise: Scientists have observed rising sea levels.

Where?
The beaches are still where they were 50 years ago.
Islands that were supposed to disappear have not disappeared.
Villages on our coasts are still there, not under water.
Are you sure you're not confused with coastal erosion?
That's a totally different thing.