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[carmanmemoranda]

you have some forms to fill out.

Yes, and keep the items accounted for and relisted, invluding evidence of parts used and replaced on a vehicle, or lent out to another vehicle, or bought from another crew.

actually you've demonstrated its beyond your ability.

It's not though. I just don't want to do it because OF THE EFFORT AGGRO AND PAPERWORK involved

I happily get on with the additional work I need to do and I have amended my SOPs so that I don't forget anything important.

Good, an extra lifejacket added on to your inventory is failry simple to do

So far I have found zero interest from any port or customs official to check my paperwork.

Try taking a working van (kitted out as a workshop with toilet and hand cleaning facilities) full of tools and equipment and tell me it attracts no attention. I've had sniffer dogs go through the van (at Portsmouth, before even getting on the ferry). And I have no problem with any relevant authority looking over the van in as much detail as they want.

Why do I have to keep pointing out that YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE, but tell me how easy it is.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Is it more difficult than before brexit?

I wonder if the 2 super experienced people will answer this.

 

[MNW67]

Why do I have to keep pointing out that YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE, but tell me how easy it is.

Bojo syndrome?

 

[motorbiking]

Correct. Brexit made it hard work

Not every clubman has the finance to have every part they require in their "spares cupboard". All sorts of begging and borrowing from others goes on. Borrowing parts, they are often last minute favours etc. after another team has finished an event and got parts they can now afford to lend out

Thats exactly the point im making. Keeping this log in the middle of an event where its against the clock to keep the car in the event, the last thing anybody does is to write anything down

If you don't understand rallying, don't try and tell me how simple it is. Your comment just proves you don't understand it

It is way HARDER because of brexit. It has taken a lot of the fun from it.

Stop being a clueless idiot and keeping trying to tell me how easy it is. IT ISN'T !

So these parts - would have a value of less than £1,500? or you'll want money/them back?

I wonder if the 2 super experienced people will answer this.

its been answered -

If you pay the insurance/bond instead can you dispense with all these requirements?

dispose of the need to lodge a deposit - correct and of course the fee is not £410 + VAT as per the link

Yes, and keep the items accounted for and relisted, invluding evidence of parts used and replaced on a vehicle, or lent out to another vehicle, or bought from another crew.

It's not though. I just don't want to do it because OF THE EFFORT AGGRO AND PAPERWORK involved

Good, an extra lifejacket added on to your inventory is failry simple to do

Try taking a working van (kitted out as a workshop with toilet and hand cleaning facilities) full of tools and equipment and tell me it attracts no attention. I've had sniffer dogs go through the van (at Portsmouth, before even getting on the ferry). And I have no problem with any relevant authority looking over the van in as much detail as they want.

Why do I have to keep pointing out that YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE, but tell me how easy it is.

perhaps its your attitude. You are aware that a motorhome is also exempt

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So these parts - would have a value of less than £1,500? or you'll want money/them back?

How much do you think a gearbox (or 2), suspension systems, steering racks, braking systems etc cost ? Tools and equipment, probably £20 000 on top.

its been answered -

dispose of the need to lodge a deposit - correct and of course the fee is not £410 + VAT as per the link

perhaps its your attitude.

Perhaps its because of the post brexit system? Why can't you understand that ?

 

[motorbiking]

How much do you think a gearbox (or 2), suspension systems, steering racks, braking systems etc cost ? Tools and equipment, probably £20 000 on top.

The question relates to the parts you CONSUME either by giving them generously to other racers or by borrowing them for your own team.

I assume these rally cars are required to be road legal?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The question relates to the parts you CONSUME either by giving them generously to other racers or by borrowing them for your own team.

Yes. I don't think you understand how an event happens and under what time pressures

I assume these rally cars are required to be road legal?

Again, you prove you have no idea about a rally, but can tell me how simple it is.

All you are doing is proving YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE. Give up. Not once yet have you actually shown how easy it is. Every link you have supplied (which is for racing not rallying anyway), also proves it is not simple if you want to take parts equipment and tools.

 

[motorbiking]

Are they or aren't they required to be road legal? It's a simple question. Or do you want to avoid telling me that they are road legal and therefore fully exempt?

So far the only problem you have is the exchange of parts worth over £1,500 between teams for money or are you telling me people give away parts worth £1000s but have a problem with a few £100 for a stamped parts and kit inventory.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Are they or aren't they required to be road legal? It's a simple question. Or do you want to avoid telling me that they are road legal and therefore fully exempt?

Im not doing your homework for you. You keep telling me how easy it is but don't even know the basics.

So far the only problem you have is the exchange of parts worth over £1,500 between teams for money or are you telling me people give away parts worth £1000s but have a problem with a few £100 for a stamped parts and kit inventory.

No. You havent understood how the parts move around. Not the value, that is relatively easily accounted for.

And you really don't understand how big an inventory list is.

Listing tools is around 20 pages of A4 single lined
Wheels and tyres, 2 pages
Steering and Suspension parts, 2 pages
Transmission parts 1 page
Braking parts, 2 pages
General other parts 2 pages
Consumable items, although not strictly required to be, are listed too

The list changes per car, per event. Even for the same car and a different event the list will change, think tarmac or gravel or mud terrain.

The price is not the problem

All you are doing is flailing around trying to prove you HAVENT GOT A CLUE what you are trying to tell me about.

 

[Mottie]

Is there any reason that the teams or car owners cannot take out their own spares? Are they trailered out or driven out? Seems to me you are looking for the most difficult way to do things purely to have a moan about Brexit.

 

[Mottie]

Im not doing your homework for you.

You’re not answering a simple question either. Next time I go abroad in my road legal car, will I have to notify them of any spares or tools that I take with me?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You’re not answering a simple question either. Next time I go abroad in my road legal car, will I have to notify them of any spares or tools that I take with me?

If you dont understand the differnce between a holiday and a competition event then I suggest you do your homework.

Are you driving the car, trailering or having it delivered? is it full of parts and spares or not? if it is being trailered, do you own, the van, the trailer and the car being trailered? or any 1 or 2 of those 3 basic choices

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Is there any reason that the teams or car owners cannot take out their own spares?

No.

Are they trailered out or driven out?

Can be any way you want, including delivered for you

Seems to me you are looking for the most difficult way to do things purely to have a moan about Brexit.

Really? If I found a simple way, like it was pre brexit, I wouldn't have given up doing it.

Seems to me you are pretending that it is easy, and it isn't

 

[motorbiking]

You’re not answering a simple question either. Next time I go abroad in my road legal car, will I have to notify them of any spares or tools that I take with me?

he doesn't want to tell me that they have to be road legal. Road legal vehicles have exemption. That of course spoils the argument that its too complex.

No.

Can be any way you want, including delivered for you

Really? If I found a simple way, like it was pre brexit, I wouldn't have given up doing it.

Seems to me you are pretending that it is easy, and it isn't

It's never going to be like it was pre-brexit and nobody has any agenda to change it.

Im not doing your homework for you. You keep telling me how easy it is but don't even know the basics.

No. You havent understood how the parts move around. Not the value, that is relatively easily accounted for.

And you really don't understand how big an inventory list is.

Listing tools is around 20 pages of A4 single lined
Wheels and tyres, 2 pages
Steering and Suspension parts, 2 pages
Transmission parts 1 page
Braking parts, 2 pages
General other parts 2 pages
Consumable items, although not strictly required to be, are listed too

The list changes per car, per event. Even for the same car and a different event the list will change, think tarmac or gravel or mud terrain.

The price is not the problem

All you are doing is flailing around trying to prove you HAVENT GOT A CLUE what you are trying to tell me about.

I'm proving that the issue is you don't want it to be easy, you want to blame Brexit and you want to sulk about it rather than get on with it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

he doesn't want to tell me that they have to be road legal. Road legal vehicles have exemption. That of course spoils the argument that its too complex.

I understand rallying, you obviously dont. try taking this road legal car, on a trailer, loaded up with parts inside it.!

It's never going to be like it was pre-brexit and nobody has any agenda to change it.

Correct. The exact point made. Taken you alot of pages to actually get there !

I'm proving that the issue is you don't want it to be easy, you want to blame Brexit and you want to sulk about it rather than get on with it.

I am proving that it is too much aggro to want to continue. You havent proved anything other than you don't understand