Condensation and mould in bedrooms

Extractor fan or PIR insulation in bedrooms


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I’ve been dealing with cold walls in a couple of bedrooms due to having two external walls, which causes cold areas and has led to issues with condensation and mould. This is something I’ve always experienced with the property, even after living here for over 10 years.

I’ve involved the council several times, and they carried out a building survey, concluding that there isn’t any rising or penetrating damp occurring externally. They also provided the following information about the building’s structure:

“Having now looked at the structure, I can confirm it’s a typical late-1950s low-rise structure with solid external walls under a timber pitched roof, similar to many builds of the post-war period. One of the fundamental issues with such builds is that there is no thermal break between the inner and outer-faced brickwork, allowing cold to penetrate. Most modern brick builds of this type have a cavity between the inner and outer walls, which allows for insulation and helps prevent cold bridging and heat loss.”

I’m now considering one of two approaches to address the issue:

Installing humidity-controlled thermostatic extractor fans in the bedrooms. While effective, this could look out of place aesthetically. I know other properties nearby have had trickle vents installed, but they don’t seem to make a significant difference. Would extractor fans help manage high humidity and condensation effectively?

Fitting PIR insulated boards to the two external walls in each room to reduce the cold areas and minimize cold bridging. However, I’m concerned this could potentially make things worse by shifting condensation to the next coldest surface. Is this a valid concern?

In the short term, I’ve been promoting good airflow and using a dehumidifier to manage the humidity levels while deciding on the best course of action. Any advice or insights would be greatly appreciated.
 
Add stud wall insulation with an air gap, to retain heat and reduce the cold bridging. Turn your heating up, and use a dehumidifier.
 

I watched this panorama show earlier in the week.

I like to think I'm fairly well informed about damp/condensation/mould management but this guy absolutely nails it all on the head.

He's absolutely spot on. So many different people interviewed about their problems (rightly so) but literally no real expertise given on how to actually eredicate the issue once and for all...
 
Don’t pile stuff up against walls, open the windows regularly.
Yes we're well aware of keeping a clutter free house and having space between the walls and furniture to promote air flow. Like I said I been managing it for 10 years plus. Time for a permanent fix
 
Ventilation and insulation, the former is free and alleviates mould issues.I assume you don’t do stupid and dry clothes indoors?and have mechanical ventilation of kitchen and bathroom.
 
Ventilation and insulation, the former is free and alleviates mould issues.I assume you don’t do stupid and dry clothes indoors?and have mechanical ventilation of kitchen and bathroom.
We have never experienced mould in any rooms except the two bedrooms in all the years (14) owning the property.

We don't have extractor fans in the kitchen or bathroom although I'm looking at getting one in the bathroom but it will need to be done via the window glazing due to limited options (FML).

If we do dry clothes inside we also run a dehumidifier in the same room and have hygrometers in the bedrooms. I can't stress how cold the two external walls are in the bedrooms are compared to any other wall in the flat. They are at least several degrees colder minimum. It's like touching ice. I really need to buy a thermal camera to gather evidence.
 
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We have never experienced mould in any rooms except the two bedrooms in all the years (14) owning the property.

We don't have extractor fans in the kitchen or bathroom although I'm looking at getting one in the bathroom but it will need to be done via the window glazing due to limited options (FML).

If we do dry clothes inside we also run a dehumidifier in the same room and have hygrometers in the bedrooms. I can't stress how cold the two external walls are in the bedrooms are compared to any other wall in the flat. They are at least several degrees colder minimum. It's like touching ice. I really need to buy a thermal camera to gather evidence.
That’s your problem then , no ventilation and poor lifestyle choices .
 
Is it your house or rented?

If it's rented, even with secure tenancy (e.g. council/housing association), then ensure you're not spending any more than you'll get back in savings. Also ensure you're not in breach of the tenancy agreement, otherwise if you do move out then you'll end up paying again for it to be removed and restored back to how it was.

But if you're renting then the sensible course of action is to pressure your landlord. There are new regulations that require all rentals to be EPC rating C or better by 2030. Yours definitely fails at present, so they need to get things happening to ensure they comply before this deadline. The usual approach is to clad and render the outside - this is vastly preferable as it makes the building bigger, whereas lining the inside makes the rooms smaller.
 
Also... buy a heat pump tumble dryer instead of using a drying rack and dehumidifier. It basically is a very small room with a dehumidifier built in! It costs less to run and keeps all that moisture completely isolated from the room.

We use ours for almost everything, it's a revelation if you're used to mucking about dangling wshing all over the place. Unlike the old tumble dryers they cost little to run and don't shrink and harden your clothes, as they just get warm rather than hot. It's so good to get it all done and dried within a few hours.
 
Insulate the walls. Draughtproof the openings. Install an MVHR. Don't generate excessive amounts of airborne moisture.
Thanks I've been looking at MVHR and PIV systems before I even posted this.

It's a single floor flat with no loft so perhaps the Nuaire Flatmaster is what I need.
 
At some point I do hope people will realise that using a PIV to push moist air into the gaps and cracks surrounded by cold building fabric, where it can easily condense, is a stupid idea

A dehumidifier is a fan that pushes moist air into gaps between artificially cold things, where the moisture can condense, drip out, be collected and discarded. Turning a building into a deh where the "be collected and discarded" part is impossible, is a stupid idea
 

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