Trump v Zelenskyy

Putin's poodle obeys his orders

"US suspends military aid to Ukraine

Russia applauds Donald Trump’s move as EU announces new defence loan facility to ship ‘immediate’ weapons to Kyiv"

FT.com
 
He's humiliated Zelensky, possibly deservedly so and to a lesser degree he's humiliating 'Europe', or at the very least exposing the massive splits within both Europe and Nato.
I agree that something else is going on here, either that or he really is mad and we're all *****d.

Today he has gone ahead with tariffs against Canada and Mexico whilst cutting off military aid to Ukraine and stopping cyber security against Russia. There's just too much for any normal person to follow.
 
Today he has gone ahead with tariffs against Canada and Mexico whilst cutting off military aid to Ukraine and stopping cyber security against Russia. There's just too much for any normal person to follow.

I know. :(
 
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Is there any indication Zelenskyy has a path back to weapons from the US in the short term. Surely this is more than a failure to wear a suit and say thank you.
 
He's humiliated Zelensky, possibly deservedly so
For what? Did we see the same event ?
and to a lesser degree he's humiliating 'Europe', or at the very least exposing the massive splits within both Europe and Nato.
Just as pootin wants him to.
I agree that something else is going on here, either that or he really is mad and we're all *****d.
You can't see anything more than "the spat" ?
 
Would you kiss ass for the sake of your nation If you were president? I would, it costs nothing.. I'd have gone full on Starmer-brown-nosing, bringing gifts, playing the defeated nation, so grateful and humble for the support of the Good Christian American people. God Bless you... blah blah etc.

Instead its - you don't understand, I am not the one at fault.
 
Would you kiss ass for the sake of your nation If you were president? I would, it costs nothing.. I'd have gone full on Starmer-brown-nosing, bringing gifts, playing the defeated nation, so grateful and humble for the support of the Good Christian American people. God Bless you... blah blah etc.

Instead its - you don't understand, I am not the one at fault.

Reality seems to be kicking in re Europe. If we and the whole of the EU more than double our current aid/arms supplies to Ukraine, which is not possible, the most we could hope to achieve is the status quo, several more years of a stalemate war.

It's also highlighted the divisions within the EU and Europe, as far as boots on the ground go, the coalition of the willing is more realistically the coalition of those who haven't said **** off.

The Ukrainian Parliament issued a statement today :
A statement issued by the parliament conveyed the Ukrainian people's strong desire to end the conflict and their belief that Trump's involvement efforts could play a crucial role in achieving peace for Ukraine, Europe, and the world.

"The Ukrainian people long for peace more than anyone and believe that President Donald Trump's personal involvement and peace efforts will be crucial in swiftly bringing an end to the conflict and securing peace for Ukraine, Europe, and the world. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine supports President Trump's initiatives to initiate negotiations toward a peaceful resolution," the statement read on Monday.

The parliament also highlighted that Ukraine's security and development rely on US support, stressing the importance of strengthening the strategic partnership with Washington, particularly in the exploration of critical minerals.


Hopefully the Donald will wake up in a better mood today and react positively because troop casualties are so high that both Russia and Ukraine are operating snatch gangs to grab youngsters to transfer to the frontline.
 
Well he's just rolled out Tariffs on the world and caused the stock market to slide. I'm sure Mr Musk will have a word.
 
Would you kiss ass for the sake of your nation If you were president? I would, it costs nothing.. I'd have gone full on Starmer-brown-nosing, bringing gifts, playing the defeated nation, so grateful and humble for the support of the Good Christian American people. God Bless you... blah blah etc.

Instead its - you don't understand, I am not the one at fault.
You saw a different event.

Did you see 1 where Zelensky was actually allowed to say anything ?
 
Well he's just rolled out Tariffs on the world and caused the stock market to slide. I'm sure Mr Musk will have a word.

Bit of a bloodbath on the markets today, RR just kept it's head above water.
I'm minded to think maybe a U turn within a week, even then there's lots of talk about boycotting US goods. The next 7 days are going to be interesting.
 
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