Does such a thing exist?

[Speedbird1]

Hi all, I am not a plumber and do not intend to do any work a plumber would do but need to know if there is such a thing?
Allow me to explain, my bath has a mixer tap with a connection that goes to my shower head, simples! (combi boiler)
Is there a tap or other fixing that will keep the existing set up but also have a bidet jet attachment as the toilet is adjacent to the bath.
I do not want to just get a bidet jet piped up from the cold mains.
Basically I'm after a tap that has 2 outlets each that will accept a screw connected flexible hose.
Thank you

 

[jj4091]

Not sure if this is what you mean but you would need to find one with the correct thread size https://www.google.com/search?q=sho...AMAkgcCMTagB-6ZAbIHAjE2uAeVCQ&sclient=gws-wiz

 

[Wayners]

In UK there are laws regarding this.
I remember asking something similar but there are health implications with contamination going back up pipes.
I know other countries have what you mention, and I know there are toilet seat conversions with jets of water but I've never seen one in the UK.

We just don't have hand held water spray for cleaning up like other countries

 

[Madrab]

I do not want to just get a bidet jet piped up from the cold mains.

In the UK, the water regs do not allow it - A douche/shower that can come into contact with the area around the toilet should not be connected to the mains, it is a CAT5 contamination risk and requires that level of backflow protection so needs to be fed from a cistern with the appropriate air gaps etc

 

[Speedbird1]

@Madrab Thank you for that, the diagram made it easy to understand. One question from that however is, currently the shower head from my existing setup can easily reach into the toilet bowl. Is that breaking CAT5 regs then?
Thanks again

 

[Rodders53]

@Madrab Thank you for that, the diagram made it easy to understand. One question from that however is, currently the shower head from my existing setup can easily reach into the toilet bowl. Is that breaking CAT5 regs then?
Thanks again

Yes, officially.
The hose should be shorter or pass through a device to prevent it reaching into the toilet bowl (such as a ring attached to the shower riser rail).

One can purchase WRAS approved bidet toilets/toilet seats.
Not cheap, though.

 

[Speedbird1]

@Rodders53 Thank you for that, now i understand the purpose of that ring thing that my hose goes through, I would never have guessed in a million years.

 

[Rodders53]

@Rodders53 Thank you for that, now i understand the purpose of that ring thing that my hose goes through, I would never have guessed in a million years.

It's also designed to prevent the spray head from being able to be submerged into the waste/dirty shower water (esp. in showers over baths)... when backflow into the potable water mains could be possible (in very extraordinary circumstances) as with the toilet water.

 

[Madrab]

when backflow into the potable water mains could be possible (in very extraordinary circumstances) as with the toilet water.

It's also to stop bacteria that may be in the waste water from making it way into the drinking water main - it doesn't require a low/negative pressure situation for that to happen.

 

[Justin Passing]

The rules don't suit muslims! If you put "muslim" in a search you will find fittings, Cat 5 backflow protection valve, etc. etc.
Shataf is one.

 

[Elsa TLC]

So is it all possible if there is a break tank that simply supplies the bum spray?

Of course this may need a pump.

 

[Madrab]

So is it all possible if there is a break tank that simply supplies the bum spray?

Of course this may need a pump.

Yes - as long as there is CAT 5 protection then they can be use - typically it would be an Type AB airgap - e.g. Cistern with a weir overflow.

The rules don't suit muslims! If you put "muslim" in a search you will find fittings, Cat 5 backflow protection valve, etc. etc.
Shataf is one.

There isn't any CAT5 protection valve involved with most of those retrofitted valves. Have refused to fit douches a fair number of times but I know they'll just get someone else that will fit them, just don't have a clue what risks they may be taking. I don't know why the powers don't crack down on that video stuff, that basically shows how to install something that just isn't allowed, as far as the regs are concerned. As the old saying goes, country's going to pot.

 

[mrlennie]

You can find bath mixers with dual outlets or a thermostatic valve that allows for both a shower and bidet jet. Just check that it’s compatible with flexible hoses.

 

[Justin Passing]

Check item marked G in this. I spose you can put it anywhere that it protects backflow into the mains.
Ummmm

Shattaf muslim shower Installation guide

Shattaf muslim shower Installation guid<

www.shattaf-showers.co.uk

 

[Madrab]

Check item marked G in this. I spose you can put it anywhere that it protects backflow into the mains.

Absolutely not - it also has to be understood that there are 2 types of backflow - Backflow from backpressure and backflow from back syphonage. That valve is not a CAT5 backflow/back syphonage preventer, there isn't such a thing, chances are it's just a check valve. I suspect they are lying and that's why I don't understand why the authorities won't crack down on these types of supplier. The other thing with CAT5 or and CAT above 2 is bacteria and it's ability to migrate back along water as long as there is a direct connection. Again why an airgap is crucial.

There are no inline valves that cover CAT5 fluids and will provide full CAT5 backflow protection. There used to be a RPZ types valve but that was downgraded to CAT4. The other device is a DC interrupter but that only covers for backsyphonage and not backpressure. The only device that truly covers CAT5 backflow is one that incorporates an air gap .