Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[blup]

If Borris is the chosen successor to Chemi, arguably the toreys have learnt nothing. His instinct is for power and he would likely match re form policies (or lack of them). That said he is a distinctive and still popuar figure amongst re form voters, and with the the right approach he could do Nige a lot of damage. Politics now is about personality rather than policy. I am sure he would revel in a Churchillian style comeback like his hero, and the chance to cement his place in history, which is what they all want.

 

[Notch7]

Mainly because everything else isn't and hasn't worked. Therefore I like the prospect of a new party that has the balls to do something about the issues that other party's have failed to accomplish.

No

Reform are telling you how they "have the balls to to do something other parties have failed accomplish"

But Reform have no policies that are new or that will work.

Reform are saying they would push boats back and return them to France.....neither of which can be done and won't work.


So all you are saying is you've fallen for their Rhetoric

 

[Mottie]

Reform are saying they would push boats back and return them to France.....neither of which can be done and won't work.

Why can’t it be done and why wouldn’t it work? Just block 'em from leaving French territorial waters and call the French coastguard for them.

 

[denso13]

Why can’t it be done and why wouldn’t it work? Just block 'em from leaving French territorial waters and call the French coastguard for them.

So you disagree with Reform's position of returning them to French shores?

 

[MNW67]

If Borris is the chosen successor to Chemi, arguably the toreys have learnt nothing. His instinct is for power and he would likely match re form policies (or lack of them). That said he is a distinctive and still popuar figure amongst re form voters, and with the the right approach he could do Nige a lot of damage. Politics now is about personality rather than policy. I am sure he would revel in a Churchillian style comeback like his hero, and the chance to cement his place in history, which is what they all want.

I think the likelihood is very high.

 

[blup]

Far rage dances to any tune that will get him votes, he is re form. Like Trumpf the more he is criticised, the more the public love him. Without him re form is a busted flush. I feel a little sorry for the reformists who think all they need is some policies.

 

[motorbiking]

Why can’t it be done and why wouldn’t it work? Just block 'em from leaving French territorial waters and call the French coastguard for them.

They can be refused entry to UK territorial waters while still in French territorial waters. UNCLOS Article 25. The refusal can be physical, if they are ignored.
If they require assistance in French territorial waters due to being in distress, they or the boat in the vicinity can issue a Mayday or mayday relay to French Coastguard and offer assistance SOLAS Rule 33.

 

[Mottie]

So you disagree with Reform's position of returning them to French shores?

Eh? If they can’t leave French waters, they will have to return to or be taken to French shores by the French coastguard.

 

[motorbiking]

Currently they don't even bother to take enough fuel, because they know the RNLI taxi service will rescue them.

 

[denso13]

Eh? If they can’t leave French waters, they will have to return to or be taken to French shores by the French coastguard.

Fine, but not Reform's policy. You said you agreed with them all.

 

[Notch7]

They can be refused entry to UK territorial waters while still in French territorial waters. UNCLOS Article 25. The refusal can be physical, if they are ignored

Not true. As usual you are attempting to make it seem like your argument applies in all circumstances, but it does not.


If they are being refused entry to,U.K. territorial waters, that requires the presence of an English vessel nearby.

If the small boat is in distress the English boat being nearest has to help rescue

And once on board the English vessel, they have to obtain permission to offload the migrants onto French soil…..in fact U.K. authorities need permission to be in French territorial water.

 

[Notch7]

Eh? If they can’t leave French waters, they will have to return to or be taken to French shores by the French coastguard.

Why can’t they leave French waters?

 

[motorbiking]

Not true. As usual you are attempting to make it seem like your argument applies in all circumstances, but it does not.

You are just imagining how it works now.

Firstly, there are drones, advanced radar and intelligence sources that could easily intercept the boat before it reached UK waters. They are also often accompanied by French patrol vessels. The number of so called "uncontrolled" landings are tiny.

If they are being refused entry to,U.K. territorial waters, that requires the presence of an English vessel nearby.

Correct - they can be intercepted with ease - they don't exactly move very quick.

If the small boat is in distress the English boat being nearest has to help rescue

and is permitted to land his rescued passengers at the nearest port.

And once on board the English vessel, they have to obtain permission to offload the migrants onto French soil…..in fact U.K. authorities need permission to be in French territorial water.

Which is done in coordination with French coastguard. its happened a few times. UK SARs vessels assists French coast guard and delivers "passengers" to France.

 

[Notch7]

Firstly, there are drones, advanced radar and intelligence sources that could easily intercept the boat before it reached UK waters. They are also often accompanied by French patrol vessels. The number of so called "uncontrolled" landings are tiny.

I never suggested there were any uncontrolled landings

Correct - they can be intercepted with ease - they don't exactly move very quick.

never said they couldnt be

what I said was: a small boat overloaded with pax is likely to be in distress, so the UK vessel would be obligated to rescue not push back

and is permitted to land his rescued passengers at the nearest port

please can you show me permission granted by French authorities -it is not an automatic right to do what you say, it requires a bilateral agreement.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

They can be refused entry to UK territorial waters while still in French territorial waters. UNCLOS Article 25. The refusal can be physical, if they are ignored.
If they require assistance in French territorial waters due to being in distress, they or the boat in the vicinity can issue a Mayday or mayday relay to French Coastguard and offer assistance SOLAS Rule 33.

And any drownings will be blamed on RNLI. That'll go down a storm.

You clearly of a mind to act out your fantasies and damn the consequences.