It's tad annoying to be told you're wrong when the teller hasn't read what was written and....
No no no Tom you're talking about buying and holding. Traditional, bowler-hat-brigade "investing". I'm not.
I did however show the details for returns in an ordinary day. It's better than average at the moment because there are selectable parts of the total which are still recovering from Trump's actions. If you shift your money around, between bonds, tech stocks, India, China, whatever, you beat the "average" indicators by mile.
You're making assumptions based on what you know about, I think, but the world has changed.
I know a bit about property, I have some. It's doing ok, but I can make more a week, even a day sometimes, that I do from the properties in a year.
I've been trading for a couple of years. It is very very much more lucrative, if you learn a bit. I have a thread about it in "hobbies". I started with 20k and showed the sums accumulating on the phone bank statement which were around 300k I think, in a few months. Most people don't know how to do that, but people who do are now common as muck. Soon we'll all have phone apps doing it for us. I'm not kidding.
65% return? I have long-since lost count of how many times I've beaten that, in one day. I wish I could find a trading challenge I was watching, a year or so ago. Iirc it started at 1000 or 5000 $ and ran for 4 weeks. The winner made 27m. There was a long list in the hundreds of k's.
First you learn, and practice with a "paper" account. Read everything which is recommended widely, then watch people doing it live on youtube while you see what you can do in your paper money account. SHould only need a couple of weeks. There's a small number of stocks/indices to mostly use. Nvidia, Apple, Tesla, etc, and crypto-relateds when that's running. You take heed of news etc, and then follow everyone else. It's easier at the moment because T keeps kicking the markets up or down.
Just one small example from me, Friday (I think - youcan check). Nvidia was looking pressured. Ok, so look in the premarket, that'll indicate what's likely. Nvidia looking bearish (down), Youtube pundits are usually right, nd they agree. Market opens, when it starts to move, you enter short ( you win when it falls) , leveraged at 5%. In 40 minutes on Friday it was down 3+% so for you that's 15% profit (3 x 5). CLose the position and waitThen what usually happens, unless there's some overriding thing going on, the price will come back up to where it started, more or less.. So you go LONG, set your stops , wait until you're recovered (can't lose on the trade) if you like so you don't need to worry, then f off. That makes a few % more, so perhaps 25% on the day. No I don't use "all my money".
It's like riding a bike. 80% of the difficulty is the fear, which you overcome with experience. When you're only using money you've won, that drops right down.
Some days it's a mess or nothing's happening, or it suddely turns, so have a day off. I get a negative day about once in 4 week, but only a couple of %. I remember one which I stuck at which turned out minus 5%.
OK that's all the comments here answered, for any other info please use the Hobbies section thread.
