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[noseall]

shown the profit this morning.

Over 10% overnight after the prediction, with the reasoning for the prediction, proves my point I think.
-I added some US index because I thought that would go up too. It turned out to be less than the suggested Germany, but still pretty good.
Now I have shown you easily 10% in a day, (it came out at 13.4% as shown)

I bet you can hardly sleep at nights.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

You started telling me my maths was wrong. Pretty dumb.
I and others have been telling you where you had it wrong, but you keep posting stuff that's wrong. You aren't really wrorth the trouble, are you?

I have many times, like yesterday, said what I was going to do, and shown the profit this morning. You refuse to read what proves you wrong.

Over 10% overnight after the prediction, with the reasoning for the prediction, proves my point I think.
-I added some US index because I thought that would go up too. It turned out to be less than the suggested Germany, but still pretty good.
Now I have shown you easily 10% in a day, (it came out at 13.4% as shown) perhaps you would like to rescind your statement that 65% IN A YEAR would be unlikely.
It would only need only 0.1927% daily, which is about 70 times less. Are you even capable of working out those figures?
You need to be able to do sums like that or you won't see what's going on.

You keep posting with your assertions based on ignorance, lies and the rest. You post show you don't know what you're talking about. If you want teaching, you don't talk repeated wrong crap to the teacher. He tells you to get out.
Share tax only applies as I have told y'all, only in some jurisdictions.
Use CFD, no tax. ETFs, no tax. US stocks, no tax. Everywhere is less that the UK, France is 0.4%, most are 0.

You should have mentioned spreads, but you didn't know enough
"Trading costs" you claim - there are many free platforms. Only a total ignoramus wouldn't know that.

Tax on profits - not necessary to pay any, at all. SB.

You are posting rubbish after rubbish. And get called out. Then make up crap.. Then complain. DO shut up.

If you ask, I'll answer. Otherwise why should I?


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I have asked for ths trading section to be transferred to the Trading thread in Hobbies.

Like I said, all you do is tell us all we're wrong without positing any counter argument.

Yes there are some brokers who have no dealing charges, but there'll still be platform/account charges or similar. cash transfer charges, exchange charges, interest charges, deposit/withdrawal fees, or there'll be other limits such as a limit of the first number of trades, or per day.

International brokers ae still subject to the FCA, if they accept UK customers, so they'll still need to abide by UK tax reporting requirements.

If you're a day trader, you'll be subject to Income Tax.

And it's not a case of my refusing to read your posts in the hobbies section. Like I said I have no intention nor inclination to follow your blog to find a trade that you announce in good time, for others to follow your moves to see if you're correct.

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Many threads have been transferred from "Denmark Pensions" thread for purposes of topic separation.

 

[Justin Passing]

If you disagreed with anything I've said, you would present real counter arguments. But all you do is claim that others don't know anything.

I have done. I even apologized for you not understandin my basic maths.
The evidence you have shown is that you know next to nothing but keep asserting I'm wrong. A troll. Pat Ex??

More like 95%.

Says who. Or is that just more crap you made up?

It looks like Bitcoin is rising, so look out for movements in MARA, MSTR, COIN, HUT and other related stocks, today.

You implied you had shorted NVDA.

I've traded it plenty, long and short. Not always profitably, but mostly!

I bet you can hardly sleep at nights.

There are risks in anything. YOu can set stop-losses which have limitations but help, used bonds, ditto, then you have to accept some risk. It's easy to not take precautions, too. Everyone forgets stop losses sometimes. Key for me is to keep funds separate. Hence hold someproperty, say.have

Like I said, all you do is tell us all we're wrong without positing any counter argument.

No. I've told you what's wrong with your random unstubstantiated incorrect assertions. Yo make one up after another.Your'ere gusseing from a position of knowing bugger all. Trolling.

but there'll still be platform/account charges or similar. cash transfer charges, exchange charges, interest charges, deposit/withdrawal fees, or there'll be other limits such as a limit of the first number of trades, or per day.

Another random unstubstantiated incorrect assertion..
If all you do is make a string of incorrect attacks, I'll just tell you you're wrong. It's not reasonable to expect someone to reply to repeated aggression with full and detailed explanations. If I say I avoid those charges, or they don't exist, it's because it's true. And that is all a troll gets.

. Obviously I would have said, if they did. You're making up rubbish. Move along.

If you're a day trader, you'll be subject to Income Tax.

It's more complicated than that. You can trade without paying tax, using SB as I said. So you shouldn't be repeating the same crap

And it's not a case of my refusing to read your posts in the hobbies section. Like I said I have no intention nor inclination to follow your blog to find a trade that you announce in good time, for others to follow your moves to see if you're correct.

You are not justified in posting contradictory assertions if you can't be bothered to look at the evidence - even that which I provided this morning. You're just a troll.

 

[Justin Passing]

From a post this morning: Therefore a prediction.

A guide - no gtees

$TSLA 350 LONG – Sales weren’t great, but with Elon back in the office, we could see that early pop.
$SOXL 16 LONG – Chips heating up with fresh China data +
$NVDA earnings tomorrow night!
$GME 34.50 LONG – Eyeing breakout of recent highs. Momentum is in this name. Dip buy zone = $33.
$TQQQ 67.50 LONG – Watching dips into Friday’s top level. Let’s see if we get that flush!

Long CRWD from 460

Tesla went up 35, which using leverage is 15% _________________________I used that to start with
SOXL went up 3%, which using leverage is 15%
NVDA a couple of % so about 10% on the day.
GME bounced about, 6%. It's a meaningless "meme" stocknot something I use
TQQQ is a form of the Nasdaq index. 1.3% at 20:1 so 27% ____________Then switched to that

In the same post I said to look at tthe bitcoin related stocks like MARA because BTC is going up. I have used that a couple of hundred times in the last couple of years, so I used that mostly. It went up 9.5% which at 5:1 is 47.5%.

Wound up at about 36%.
This morning's German /index profit of 13.4% was only on £2500 so hardly made any difference.
It makes sense to use more than that.

I hope the predictions being borne out, and a 30+% rise on the day, is enough to satisfy most people. There will always be trolls, however.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what I suggest you can do if your pension is too small.

 

[noseall]

From a post this morning: Therefore a prediction.


Tesla went up 35, which using leverage is 15% _________________________I used that to start with
SOXL went up 3%, which using leverage is 15%
NVDA a couple of % so about 10% on the day.
GME bounced about, 6%. It's a meaningless "meme" stocknot something I use
TQQQ is a form of the Nasdaq index. 1.3% at 20:1 so 27% ____________Then switched to that

In the same post I said to look at tthe bitcoin related stocks like MARA because BTC is going up. I have used that a couple of hundred times in the last couple of years, so I used that mostly. It went up 9.5% which at 5:1 is 47.5%.

Wound up at about 36%.
This morning's German /index profit of 13.4% was only on £2500 so hardly made any difference.
It makes sense to use more than that.

I hope the predictions being borne out, and a 30+% rise on the day, is enough to satisfy most people. There will always be trolls, however.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what I suggest you can do if your pension is too small.

Like any addicted gambler - only ever brag about the gains, eh.

 

[Dereekoo]

Like any addicted gambler - only ever brag about the gains, eh.

My dad was like that with the horses

 

[Justin Passing]

Like any addicted gambler - only ever brag about the gains, eh.

I told you what the method was and what it produced. That's why I use it. I'm not doing anything clever.
Part of the method is that if a trade is going the wrong direction you stop it, and if there's a faster runner you switch to that.
It's not much different from pointing out a better-paying building soc account
Nothing clever there, a kid could do it. Why you think that's bragging I don't know.
No need to feel humbled just because you didn't realise.

I was told by people who were mistaken, of all sorts of problems which either don't exist or are trivial. Judge for yourself.

 

[Notch7]

about the gains,

professional traders achieve a win loss ratio of 60% but it can be anywhere from say 40% to 65%

so out of a 100 trades, maybe 50 will be losses and 50 will be wins

Ive not seen any traders say they achieve more than 60% reliably



the strategy to make money is that you enter at a point where the price is rising and you set a stop limit.
If the trade goes down you only lose a few %, the skill is to pick trades where there is a probability to rise much more than to fall

you can lose more trades than you win and still be profitable





it requires a lot of time and dedication to be a profitable trader. It requires experience and lots of testing to ensure you dont just lose all your money

it doesnt require much time to stick money into a Vanguard tracker or whatever and leave it there for years

 

[Justin Passing]

My dad was like that with the horses

It's nothing like the horses, I'd never do that.
A horse race illustrates the difference. Though there are more differences than similarities.

You don't have to be on the best horse, you only need to get distance from where you are.
You watch the horses running, and put your money on the fastest one.
If it slows down you can switch your money to a faster or stronger horse.
You lose. if the horse stops and goes backwards, but you can take almost all your money back any time you like

People tend to sneer when they don't know how it all works, always looking for a catch or some sort of duplicity.

 

[Dereekoo]

It's nothing like the horses, I'd never do that.
A horse race illustrates the difference. Though there are more differences than similarities.

You don't have to be on the best horse, you only need to get distance from where you are.
You watch the horses running, and put your money on the fastest one.
If it slows down you can switch your money to a faster or stronger horse.
You lose. if the horse stops and goes backwards, but you can take almost all your money back any time you like

People tend to sneer when they don't know how it all works, always looking for a catch or some sort of duplicity.

All very interesting but the comment was directed at the Noseall statement about only bragging about wins (where ever they come from and in specific about my dads) and you seemed to have gone off on a tangent about your trading attributes.

Just as an aside are you a millionaire yet, are we talking about trading in the £100s, £1000s £10,000s

 

[Dereekoo]

it requires a lot of time and dedication to be a profitable trader. It requires experience and lots of testing to ensure you dont just lose all your money

Ditto to be a professional horse gambler which I remember seeing a programme on 30 - 40 years ago

 

[Justin Passing]

professional traders achieve a win loss ratio of 60% but it can be anywhere from say 40% to 65%

so out of a 100 trades, maybe 50 will be losses and 50 will be wins

Ive not seen any traders say they achieve more than 60% reliably



the strategy to make money is that you enter at a point where the price is rising and you set a stop limit.
If the trade goes down you only lose a few %, the skill is to pick trades where there is a probability to rise much more than to fall

you can lose more trades than you win and still be profitable





it requires a lot of time and dedication to be a profitable trader. It requires experience and lots of testing to ensure you dont just lose all your money

it doesnt require much time to stick money into a Vanguard tracker or whatever and leave it there for years

Some of that is true., a lot isn't. It's completely wrong; out of date mostly.
It all depends what sort of trades you make.
Pro traders have to make big risks for higher returns. Watch TraderTV, they have about one "red" day a month.

It would be better if you didn't make so many unsubstantiated assertions.
It's like everyone is making their guesses from a point of ignorance and never having tried it.
Pretty stupid, really.

If you put your money into a tracker, you might beat inflation.
You can't make several percent in a day. And you might find you're down perhaps 20% when the market falls, more than you wanted.
Trading is the antithesis of dumping your money in a tracker and forgetting about it.

The 60/40 sort of numbers are wrong.
Watch people doing it live and you will have an epi phanny.
Or try it yourself, for the best sort.

Guess which stocks are rising this morning - answer is most of the same ones which did so yesterday, and the day before that..... like usual. RR, DAX, RHM They aren't moving much, and aren't "trending" strongly, so it's not very interesting.
One was pulling away so it got a 10x increase in the "size" to wipe out any tiny losses from the ones which barely moved.
How you find them? You look at free online scanners. Most of the books out there were written before the current free stuff became available.
Certainly nothing like I used yesterday.

 

[Justin Passing]

Ditto to be a professional horse gambler which I remember seeing a programme on 30 - 40 years ago

Not actually relevant, then!

the comment was directed at

Sorry, there are so many people raising incorrect and irrelevant tidbits, I try to put them incontext.

Just as an aside are you a millionaire yet, are we talking about trading in the £100s, £1000s £10,000s

Fair enough, some background/précis you'd find lacing through the thread, repeated here to save you wading.

Way back near the start of this thread, I showed the result of putting lumps of money into separate bank accounts - they were fixed interest things you couldn't add to, so the numbers were clearer inseparate accounts.
Startng at 20k, I got to 300k then 500k or so within - I can't remember, a small number of months. I showed the bank accounts on the phone screen. That trajectory continued. When the trading account gets to a something over about 80k I take the excess off and stick it somewhere else - like one of those fixed term accounts. I often wonder what would have happened if I'd used more, but there are limits and things get complicated. I'm pretty lazy...
My trading llimit was based on the 85k secured limit, but that's not particulary logical. Now I use a variety of platforms,
I use ISAs obviously. They're clunkier. You can't "short" as such but can use negative or positive 3x or 5x etfs.
The whole project was to make enough to cover potential old-age costs for both of us. "Homes" cost a lot. eg 1500 up for a week, so the aim is 2 x 1500 x 52 x some number of years - like 10 or 20 is/was a general target.
The other prompt came from when I saw the "growth" of our various pension funds. They seem to think that a couple of percent, after their greedy fees, is good for you. Bucking fowler hat brigade. The Scene is still inhibited by them.


A gentler approach is what's called "swing" trading where you buy near the low side of an ongoing range and sell at the upper edge. Case in pont is the FTSE a couple of years back. A tracker fund would have gone up about 2%, but the index had risen and fallen several times, several percent each time. The total moves added up to 25% iirc, but even with a sloppy approach, selling when it started dropping away from the upper edge, and buying after 3 weeks of rises, would have returned say 10% on the year. I have one isa where that's all I'm doing. If you sell, you're still getting 4+% from the uninvested cash. I have too many accounts so tht happens, but at the moment Barings German Growth and a European one Artemis Smart GARP , are doing well enough. The daily return is around 0.5%, (360%pa) so not sustainable, hence the need for stop-losses. Another one has defense stocks in ETFs, because of the news. Large overlap obviously.

To repeat from way back, the starting method was to look at BItcoin. MARA is a platform for bitcoin trading, and they're a miner. When bitcoin goes up, MARA goes up several times more.
Then you can leverage MARA , times 5.
So BTC woud move maybe 1-2$ in aday, Mara would move 6-12% and leverage then x5 gives you 30-60%, in a day. Quite often it then goes back down again, so once you've gone short you can get the same again. So yes, a few days come out over 100% up. Some of the energy commodities were helping because ther leverage is 20x .
I found the gains pretty astonishing, I have to say. More recently the market has quietened, but there are many days like yesterday. Having TraderTV (Youtube) makes it all very much easier. They make a daily view, with all sorts of news stuff , then they give a list (sticky note) of suggested trades. You only need one or two, usually. You can only put money in one place at a time.
It's a routine,, they're doing the clever stuff, not me. One understands it, though.

Get a "paper" trade account and try it. Trading 212 isn't great but would do and it's all free. eToro is no good for day trading, for me, far too clunky, etc etc, T212 is run by a bunch of Bulgarians, but they have the approvals, fair range of stocks and ETFs etc.. There are loads of others, all free. There are plenty of people like AJBell, Fidelity, Interactive investor, HSBC etc to stuff larger amounts.

A good book to read is "Trading in the Zone" (free pdf online). It's only about the psychology, which is the hardest part. The nuts and bolts you'd pick up watching traders, they do a lousy amateurish educational bit to boost their youtube income, but it's ok. There are many others I could name, buttthere's no single book on how to day trade. The Dummies one on Swing trading is OK. I have some older ones, which are pretty hopeless, they're out of date. A lot is out of date, like 20, 40, 70 years out of date.

There's loads of detail but I hope that's enough to paint the picture..


Oooh look at ABercrombie and Fitch shares. Ihave some of those..... I think....

 

[Justin Passing]

This is the LONG versio nof teh day's esearch. This is a lot of work, provided free:

https://tradertv-live.beehiiv.com/p/trader-tv-watchlist-may-28-2025

This is the short version -
Top Trade Ideas:
$TSLA 360 LONG – Breaking coil on the daily. Looking to buy dips back into support around these levels.
$PLTR 12.70 LONG – Dumped yesterday on inside selling but found a base. Will reload if it fades early.
$GME 35 LONG – Focus shifting to BTC + retail hype. Earnings June 9 + 12% short float = recipe for a move.
$SMR 36 SHORT – Top forming? Fading recent pops.

More of a normal sort of day.
Nothing much happening
MARA obliged by dropping back from where it was after yesterday's rise. I missed it early but caught about 3%.
Not much else , so far

 

[Odds]

This is the LONG versio nof teh day's esearch. This is a lot of work, provided free:

https://tradertv-live.beehiiv.com/p/trader-tv-watchlist-may-28-2025

This is the short version -
Top Trade Ideas:
$TSLA 360 LONG – Breaking coil on the daily. Looking to buy dips back into support around these levels.
$PLTR 12.70 LONG – Dumped yesterday on inside selling but found a base. Will reload if it fades early.
$GME 35 LONG – Focus shifting to BTC + retail hype. Earnings June 9 + 12% short float = recipe for a move.
$SMR 36 SHORT – Top forming? Fading recent pops.

More of a normal sort of day.
Nothing much happening
MARA obliged by dropping back from where it was after yesterday's rise. I missed it early but caught about 3%.
Not much else , so far

How much will be enough or would you just keep going to see how far you can go with it?