Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

Two different issues.

Please explain why Reform are bothering to exit ECHR, and rescind the UK Human Rights Act, if they're not doing it in some false hope of enacting pushbacks?

 

[motorbiking]

It is a complex question. After a while I think, for most people, it would become a soul destroying existence. Like being in a very nice prison.

But if you currently live in a tent with limited food and money, you wont believe that you could ever feel like that.

 

[denso13]

Nice 5 star hotel with all inclusive meals, a bit of pocket money thrown in, medical care and usually a bike donated from Halfords is a good opener.

They don't get 5 star hotels, and we need to feed them because they aren't allowed to work.

I still don't see the incentives.

 

[motorbiking]

Please explain why Reform are bothering to exit ECHR, and rescind the UK Human Rights Act, if they're not doing it in some false hope of enacting pushbacks?

To deport nasty people back to nasty places.

 

[Highway Man]

They claim asylum on arriving in UK.

Section 31 Immigration and Asylum Act 1999: defence against prosecution (accessible)

www.gov.uk

So the CPS don't waste their limited funding on chasing ghosts.

Section 37(1) of NABA provides that a refugee is not to be taken to have come to the United Kingdom directly from a country where their life or freedom was threatened, if they stopped in another country outside the United Kingdom, unless they can show that they could not reasonably be expected to have sought protection under the Refugee Convention in that country.

 

[MNW67]

Please explain why Reform are bothering to exit ECHR, and rescind the UK Human Rights Act, if they're not doing it in some false hope of enacting pushbacks?

That bears no relation to the question you asked originally to which I replied.

 

[Highway Man]

It is a complex question. After a while I think, for most people, it would become a soul destroying existence. Like being in a very nice prison.

Yes but the initial honeymoon period is what attracts them to begin with. Compared to say France and other countries that give them a tent it looks a much nicer proposition.

 

[Highway Man]

They don't get 5 star hotels, and we need to feed them because they aren't allowed to work.

Oh yes they do

 

[Deleted member 323070]

A vessel which is compelled to assist seafarers in distress is not engaging in passage that is not innocent.

If there is no other rescue vessel in closer proximity, that might apply.
But as mbk keeps telling us, refugee boats are easy to spot on the high seas.
So a rescue boat will be quickly in the vicinity, so no need for other vessels to become involved.
Although mbk's assumptions can't be relied on because frequently fishing boats are involved.

Seems to provide more flexibility to push back. You've got to think these arguments through Notchy Lad.

It's illegally to interfere with other vessels, never mind endangering their lives.

If they are in French waters when they claim Asylum, they need to tell the French Authorities. An "English person" has no obligation to grant asylum. If they claim asylum while being rescued in French waters and handed to the French, there is no obligation for the master of the ship to do anything. Unless you are suggesting that France is a danger to their life.

this is correct.

- Vessel in distress in French waters - SOLAS applies
- Vessel not in distress attempting to enter UK waters UNCLOS applies.

And UNCOS states that innocent vessels must not be interfered with.

 

[denso13]

Yes but the initial honeymoon period is what attracts them to begin with. Compared to say France and other countries that give them a tent it looks a much nicer proposition.

They risk their lives travelling to the UK and pay traffickers thousands of pounds for the privilege. So they will get fed?

No chance.

 

[denso13]

Oh yes they do

Oh no they don't.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Yes but how? Offshore processing centers wouldn't work in my opinion.

So that's why UK refuses to consider it.

 

[denso13]

Yes but the initial honeymoon period is what attracts them to begin with. Compared to say France and other countries that give them a tent it looks a much nicer proposition.

If they apply in France they get housed, not a tent. Why come here?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Don't talk wet

If you arrive at a foreign port with passengers disembarking, not having the correct documentation, you risk the boat being impounded and you arrested.
You ought to learn the rules if you intend to go sailing.
Mbk will misdirect you if the rules go against his political ideology.

 

[motorbiking]

If there is no other rescue vessel in closer proximity, that might apply.
But as mbk keeps telling us, refugee boats are easy to spot on the high seas.
So a rescue boat will be quickly in the vicinity, so no need for other vessels to become involved.
Although mbk's assumptions can't be relied on because frequently fishing boats are involved.


It's illegally to interfere with other vessels, never mind endangering their lives.

And UNCOS states that innocent vessels must not be interfered with.

all these arguments have already been dealt with.

- illegal immigrants heading from France to UK on a boat is not innocent passage.
- they are not asylum seekers until they claim asylum and there are many laws being broken in French territorial waters - Its up to the French if they ignore them.
- The illegals travel at approximately 5-6kts. An intercept vessel can maned 50-70kts. They have time to finish their dinner and still intercept them at the border.

and of course they don't have to intercept every single one. Just make it more likely the attempt will fail and increase the cost for the smugglers (better, faster boats, etc).