Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Deleted member 323070]

which is why they cannot forcibly be rescued.

Which is why the French cannot forcibly 'rescue' the refugees.

 

[Notch7]

illegal immigrants heading from France to UK on a boat is not innocent passage

The Master has no responsibility for determining the status of those rescued

Oops contradicting yerself.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I think it is, especially if you are putting others in danger too.

That's different. Think first person and third or second person.

 

[motorbiking]

Border force don’t know if they are innocent passage, illegal immigrants or asylum seekers.

To find out they would have to speak to them, at which point the people can say “I claim asylum”, if they speak good English they might even say Please.

you don't think they can tell the difference between a passenger ferry with 30-50 people on board and a home made illegal immigrant boat with a decent pair of binoculars? Maybe someone could invent a small flying camera that could hover over them and relay the footage? I wonder if they might call it a drone.

 

[motorbiking]

Oops contradicting yerself.

nope - he is free to rescue them and take them back to France without fear of prosecution.

 

[Notch7]

they are not asylum seekers until they claim asylum

“A key part of the unpublished policy disclosed in the high court judgment is that anyone in a dinghy who indicates they wish to claim asylum in the UK should not be pushed back but instead escorted to UK shores”

Priti Patel accused of misleading parliament over refugee pushbacks

Court ruling reveals unpublished parts of policy saying tactic would not be used against asylum seekers

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 323070]

correct - if they are in French territory- then the French must take them

If they are rescued in French waters, the French should take them, as long as urgent medical care is not prolonged.

But the refugees still have a right to claim asylum in whichever country they prefer. Just because they've been rescued does not mean they are obliged to seek asylum there.

they have a limited get of jail card for some immigration offences

That's of no concern for them. They're risking their life to cross the channel, a slight risk of prosecution isn't going to make a fat lot of difference.

keeping them from doing that is the idea.

You can't use pushbacks.

 

[Notch7]

you don't think they can tell the difference between a passenger ferry with 30-50 people on board and a home made illegal immigrant boat with a pair decent pair of binoculars? Maybe someone could invent a small flying camera that could hover over them and relay the footage? I wonder if they might call it a drone.

It doesn’t matter what they look like.

You simply can’t determine if a boat is innocent passage or not by how it looks…..unless it happens to have a machine gun mounted on it

 

[Deleted member 323070]

I'll wait...

You can wait for as long as you wish to have your interpretation of others' posts denied or accepted.

 

[Notch7]

correct - if they are in French territory- then the French must take them

You’ve not provided any rule or law that says “must”

 

[motorbiking]

“A key part of the unpublished policy disclosed in the high court judgment is that anyone in a dinghy who indicates they wish to claim asylum in the UK should not be pushed back but instead escorted to UK shores”

Priti Patel accused of misleading parliament over refugee pushbacks

Court ruling reveals unpublished parts of policy saying tactic would not be used against asylum seekers

www.theguardian.com

The ruling reveals the pushback policy states: “Should a migrant request asylum whilst in UK territorial waters they must be returned to the UK for processing.”

According to the high court judgment, a clause in the unpublished policy says “the actual number of migrant vessels successfully intercepted is likely to be extremely low”. It adds that one of the “acceptable outcomes” is that during operational deployments no migrant vessels are assessed as suitable for safe turnaround.

 

[Highway Man]

They risk their lives travelling to the UK and pay traffickers thousands of pounds for the privilege. So they will get fed?

No chance.

Why then?

 

[Highway Man]

That's different. Think first person and third or second person.

Think of children

 

[Deleted member 323070]

Do feel free to share why a 70ft flat bottom boat, made to a very poor standard overloaded with people is put at greater risk by being gently pushed at the bow, than propelled by the outboard at the stern.

The boats have little stability or reinforcing in the middle. Pressure on both ends simultaneously can easily cause the inflatable to 'fold up' on itself.
Therebye pitching the occupants into the water. I thought you were a seafarer?
Nest time your 'sailing' in your local swimming pool, try it with a flimsy inflatable.

The vessel has to be steered in order to go north, there is nothing inherently dangerous about it being slowly turned around to go south. Do you think the boat knows which way its heading or was only designed to go North?

The people want to go North, so they'll happily sit quietly while they are forced to go in a different direction?

 

[Deleted member 323070]

The goal of Push backs is to keep them out.

But it's not legal. so you need to find an alternative.