When 'are' we going to get tough on crime?

[noseall]

Spot the difference

Yep. One admitted the charge. The other is awaiting trial.

2 tier justice doesn't exist

Correct.

 

[IT Minion]

Spot the difference

Trial of suspended Labour councillor Ricky Jones delayed until August

Ricky Jones was due to stand trial this week but the case is now delayed until August

www.standard.co.uk

Politician's wife Lucy Connolly jailed for race hate post

Lucy Connolly, wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Raymond Connolly, is jailed for 31 months.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tell us that 2 tier justice doesn't exist in Starmer's nasty world.

She pleaded guilty. He didn't. Trials take ages these days.

Any delay will cause the case to be kicked back because staff shortages and courtrooms are limited.

Connolly was charged with a less (corrected) serious crime and was in the magistrates court rather than the crown courts. This is literally two different tiers of law. Jones is in the more serious one

They're very different.

Edited, managed to get Jones and Connolly the wrong way around in the second paragraph.

 

[motorbiking]

Knew one like him, from what I could gather he made a lot of money just from legal aid work, but liked a bevvy or two. Didn’t know him well but he was a character (I think now it’s called being a functioning alcoholic). His office was raided by the lawyers professional body and he was struck off for various “irregularities “.

fiddling legal aid?

Thats probably how he made a lot of money from legal aid work.

 

[motorbiking]

Mum who abused son so badly he had to have his legs amputated to be freed early from prison

Tony Hudgell was just 41 days old when he was assaulted by his birth parents Jody Simpson and Anthony Smith, who were both jailed for 10 years in 2018 for torturing him.

news.sky.com

 

[Vinty]

How much longer? Prison sentences for pretty much everything have been rising for years without any impact on crime. The logical extension of your argument is that a) you have the death penalty for every offence and/or b) you punish people according to what the Daily Fail readership thinks.

Punishment should be commensurate with the crime committed.
If death results, regardless of the intentions of the culprit, then a minimum of 20 years should be applicable.

 

[motorbiking]

Punishment should be commensurate with the crime committed.
If death results, regardless of the intentions of the culprit, then a minimum of 20 years should be applicable.

so a tin of paint falls from your car and hits a following motorcyclist, he loses control, hits a lamp post and dies. 20 years, you should have checked your boot was closed.

 

[MNW67]

so a tin of paint falls from your car and hits a following motorcyclist, he loses control, hits a lamp post and dies. 20 years, you should have checked your boot was closed.

I think you've spotted the fatal flaw in that particular argument!

 

[ajrtd]

I met an ex legal aid lawyer when he had changed careers. He had started a business repairing damage alloy wheels and I had bent one on my wifes car. He said he was earning more that twice what he earned as a lawyer while working far fewer hours.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Blup will like this one, batter an 80 year old to death and receive a 7 year sentence. Mind you as Blup says, 6 years is an extremely long time to be locked up so they've been a bit harsh with the 7 years.

Film the battering? Get a 3 month rehabilitation order.

Tough on crime and the causes of crime, that's the UK.

Family's fury at sentence for boy, 15, who killed man, 80

A 15-year-old boy was ordered to serve just seven years behind bars and a 13-year-old girl was spared being jailed over the manslaughter of Bhim Kohli.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SMG]

National service?

I wouldn't want these 2 behind me. In front, OK.

 

[transam]

Blup will like this one, batter an 80 year old to death and receive a 7 year sentence. Mind you as Blup says, 6 years is an extremely long time to be locked up so they've been a bit harsh with the 7 years.

Film the battering? Get a 3 month rehabilitation order.

Tough on crime and the causes of crime, that's the UK.

Family's fury at sentence for boy, 15, who killed man, 80

A 15-year-old boy was ordered to serve just seven years behind bars and a 13-year-old girl was spared being jailed over the manslaughter of Bhim Kohli.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yep

They should adopt the US policy in these serious violent cases

They should be treated as adults in the legal system and punished accordingly

 

[blup]

I wouldn't want these 2 behind me. In front, OK.

Agreed, they’d be AWOL pretty quick I suspect. But I was making the (old fashioned) point that the re introduction of national service, even for a select percentage of 18-21 year olds. would introduce an element of discipline into their lives, as well as a standing combat ready-ish fighting force.

 

[blup]

Punishment should be commensurate with the crime committed.
If death results, regardless of the intentions of the culprit, then a minimum of 20 years should be applicable.

Why is the murder rate in the USA five times higher than here, when they have much longer sentences for everything? Or shall we just rely on the Old Testament?

 

[blup]

Blup will like this one, batter an 80 year old to death and receive a 7 year sentence. Mind you as Blup says, 6 years is an extremely long time to be locked up so they've been a bit harsh with the 7 years.

Film the battering? Get a 3 month rehabilitation order.

Tough on crime and the causes of crime, that's the UK.

Family's fury at sentence for boy, 15, who killed man, 80

A 15-year-old boy was ordered to serve just seven years behind bars and a 13-year-old girl was spared being jailed over the manslaughter of Bhim Kohli.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You seem sick in the head. Very sad when feral children attack an elderly gentleman like that.

 

[ajrtd]

Why is the murder rate in the USA five times higher than here, when they have much longer sentences for everything? Or shall we just rely on the Old Testament?

Perhaps the population is five times the size of ours.