Two-Tierness

[MNW67]

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of law understands that more serious charges could have been levied.

You can't charge somebody with ABH, let alone GBH, if they didn't actually injure the victim. Criminal Law 101.

 

[MNW67]

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of law understands that more serious charges could have been levied.

I gave a recent example of a white man who committed a massively more serious assault. Repeatedly stabbing and almost killing a man. But he only got four years. And that was with a racially aggravated enhancement. How on earth you think somebody should get twenty years for basically tripping somebody and kicking them a bit is beyond me.

 

[pete01]

I gave a recent example of a white man who committed a massively more serious assault. Repeatedly stabbing and almost killing a man. But he only got four years. And that was with a racially aggravated enhancement. How on earth you think somebody should get twenty years for basically tripping somebody and kicking them a bit is beyond me.

So why was Lucy Connelly treated so harshly?

 

[MNW67]

So why was Lucy Connelly treated so harshly?

Governments decide how severely they want to punish different types of crimes. Previous governments (not this one) had decided that inciting racial hatred, especially in times of riot, should get a stiff sentence. I am not arguing with Si_ about whether the law in these cases is morally right. I am just trying to explain the basics of the current legal situation. For instance, I have been explaining that you can't be charged with attempted murder if you didn't actually try to kill someone, and you can't be charged with either ABH or GBH if you didn't actually injure anyone. A lot of laypeople get very confused by these things. Understandably so, because the law is incredibly complicated.

 

[pete01]

Governments decide how severely they want to punish different types of crimes. Previous governments (not this one) had decided that inciting racial hatred, especially in times of riot, should get a stiff sentence. I am not arguing with Si_ about whether the law in these cases is morally right. I am just trying to explain the basics of the current legal situation. For instance, I have been explaining that you can't be charged with attempted murder if you didn't actually try to kill someone, and you can't be charged with either ABH or GBH if you didn't actually injure anyone. A lot of laypeople get very confused by these things. Understandably so, because the law is incredibly complicated.

All sounds a bit two-tier to me

 

[Si_]

Governments decide how severely they want to punish different types of crimes. Previous governments (not this one) had decided that inciting racial hatred, especially in times of riot, should get a stiff sentence. I am not arguing with Si_ about whether the law in these cases is morally right. I am just trying to explain the basics of the current legal situation. For instance, I have been explaining that you can't be charged with attempted murder if you didn't actually try to kill someone, and you can't be charged with either ABH or GBH if you didn't actually injure anyone. A lot of laypeople get very confused by these things. Understandably so, because the law is incredibly complicated.

And for some reason you pretend you're an expert on it, when it's clear to everyone you're just Googling your responses and haven't a clue.

As I said, attempted GBH is a possible charge.

Two examples

A man who attacked two police officers with a knife. He didn't injure them with the knife but was found guilty of attempted wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. A charge you claim doesn't exist. Sentenced to six years.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/...ab-two-police-officers-in-northampton-4688716

A man who attacked a woman with a knife. She suffered superficial cuts. He was found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, for the minor injuries, but also attempted wounding with intent to cause GBH. No walking free for him either - six years three months.

https://www.kent.police.uk/news/kent/latest/policing-news/pensioner-assaulted-by-man-armed-with-knife/

 

[MNW67]

And for some reason you pretend you're an expert on it, when it's clear to everyone you're just Googling your responses and haven't a clue.

As I said, attempted GBH is a possible charge.

Two examples

A man who attacked two police officers with a knife. He didn't injure them with the knife but was found guilty of attempted wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. A charge you claim doesn't exist. Sentenced to six years.

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/...ab-two-police-officers-in-northampton-4688716

A man who attacked a woman with a knife. She suffered superficial cuts. He was found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, for the minor injuries, but also attempted wounding with intent to cause GBH. No walking free for him either - six years three months.

https://www.kent.police.uk/news/kent/latest/policing-news/pensioner-assaulted-by-man-armed-with-knife/

I am happy to work through them all with you one at a time. I asked you what crimes you thought he could have been charged with and you initially said GBH and attempted murder. I have never been interested in criminal law and my practical experience of criminal law was decades ago. But I still remember enough to rule out both S18 GBH and attempted murder.

So, moving on to this next charge of attempted GBH. I can see that theoretically you might be able to charge this offender with attempting GBH if he had made real attempts to seriously injure the victim with the knife. But he didn't. The victim was defenceless on the floor and the offender just gave him a mild kicking. If he had knelt on him and tried to stab him but failed, that would be different. But he stood over him and just yelled at him, spat on him and kicked him a bit.

This time I will have to have a bit of a Google, though, to see what that offence might involve.

 

[Notch7]

So why was Lucy Connelly treated so harshly?

made an example of

 

[pete01]

made an example of

Wrong en it

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Wrong en it

She was, yes.

Wasn't just a 1 off post either if you read the court account

 

[pete01]

She was, yes.

Wasn't just a 1 off post either if you read the court account

You're right she deserves a toughr sentence than the immigrant abuser

 

[MNW67]

You're right she deserves a toughr sentence than the immigrant abuser

Are we talking about the man who tried to kiss a teenager.

 

[pete01]

Are we talking about the man who tried to kiss a teenager.

Yes i think so

 

[MNW67]

Yes i think so

I have read the judge's comments. An immediate 12 month sentence seems to be towards the upper end of what he was due. Clearly, the man has issues. But trying to kiss someone in broad daylight surrounded by other people really isn't that serious.

 

[pete01]

I have read the judge's comments. An immediate 12 month sentence seems to be towards the upper end of what he was due. Clearly, the man has issues. But trying to kiss someone really isn't that serious.

More serious then a tweet....maybe