20 point Gaza peace plan (Is Trump one step closer to Nobel Peace Prize?)
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It isn't a 'peace plan', it appears to be an ultimatum designed to portray the Israelis as the party that wants peace, if the Palestinians don't accept, Netanyahu and Trump will claim that they had had their chance of peace but rejected it.
The killing can then continue at an accelerated pace, to, in Trumps words, '' finish them off".
So we are clear –
This solution is not a reward for Hamas…
Because it means Hamas can have no future.
No role in government.
No role in security.
PM statement on the recognition of Palestine: 21 September 2025
Keir Starmer's statement on the Middle East.
How about you name them instead of just trolling as usual
You best add Netanyahu to your list
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The discussion was whether it was a precondition.So we are clear –
This solution is not a reward for Hamas…
Because it means Hamas can have no future.
No role in government.
No role in security.
PM statement on the recognition of Palestine: 21 September 2025
Keir Starmer's statement on the Middle East.www.gov.uk
Evidently it wasn't.
UK recognises the State of Palestine, It's a done deal.
Yep, and in his words...
"In a video posted on his Telegram, Netanyahu is asked whether he has "agreed to a Palestinian state", to which he replied: "No, absolutely not."
He says there is no such clause in the 20-point plan Trump has tabled, adding that Israel will "forcibly resist" statehood"
Of course the war criminal and architect of genocide obviously failed to spot that...
"The 20-point peace plan says once Gaza redevelopment and reform of the Palestinian Authority takes place "the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood"
But then he doesn't actually want peace...
He wants a 'greater israel' whatever the cost!
I don't think that is true.
The official statement says that the UK government recognises Palestine and that the Hamas issue is separate:
"Recognising Palestine is a historic decision, firmly grounded in the Palestinian people’s inalienable right to self-determination, which the government committed to as part of its manifesto.
In a statement this afternoon, the Prime Minister was clear this decision is not about Hamas. They are a brutal terrorist organisation that wants to see Israel destroyed. Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace with recognised borders is the exact opposite of their hateful vision."
Palestine at this point in time is still not a state, regardless of who recognises it as one. If Hamas can be removed, there is a clear pathway for Palestine officially gaining statehood.
I hope that happens and Palestine does go onto becoming a state.
Without meaning to be glass half empty, I think a significant part of the challenge will be genuinely eradicating Hamas. Can an ideology ever be eradicated?
I don't think it's a stretch to imagine the transitional board being in place for x years (5?) then once handed over, the issues start to raise their heads once more.
If you take away its raison d'etre, you can make it irrelevant.
It will then wither to effectively nothing.
No, but to disarm them, exile them and remove them from Govt is a first step, de radicalising Palestine would be a further step, it's been done in other Arab countries.
As you say, none of us knows what will happen 5 years down the line, but if in the meantime the Palestinians lot in life improves significantly, there's more chance of them existing peacefully beside Israel, other Arab countries have done it, Egypt and Jordan being good examples.
I have not really thought about what it means before. But a quick Google seems to show that the most important thing will be getting recognised as a state by the United Nations. And that can only happen if the USA doesn't veto. So, hopefully if this deal works then somewhere (a long way) down the line, Palestine will get recognised at the UN.
The pessimist in me imagines Hamas sleepers in whatever Palestinian government is formed.
