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The phase out of ice engines..

I have heard lots of people who have moved over to EVs absolutely love them and never want to go back

I do read though that parts can be very hard to get hold of and wait times are long, sometimes months as well as expensive

but then there are plenty of stories of ICE cars and vans just a couple of years old and the engine going bang.

I was looking at updating my car and it seems that ICE cars made in last say 6 years are far less reliable, and loads of them have wet belts fitted
yes, being serious for a second. We will most likely be getting an EV next, modern ICE engines have become so complicated to achieve the high mpg (our diesel GLA averages 62 to the gallon 70+ on long journeys). and although we have not had any bother with ours, it is now just out of warranty (14 days ago) and god knows what it would cost to fix if it went wrong.
And since our house is covered in solar panels it makes quite a bit of sense to get an EV
 
Except they don't, really, but there are plenty of suckers around who can't distinguish fact from propaganda... ;)

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Says the person posting a stat showing hybrids (a form of EV) as twice as likely to be in a fire as petrol by sales. Of course, that infographic is a good example of misleading numbers. By using "per 100k sales", it conveniently ignores the fact that while EV sales have been climbing, the actual number of vehicles on the road is very small. Basically, by sales is a meaningless figure as it bears little resemblance to number on the road.
Get the same figures as "per 100k on the road" and you'll find reality is a bit more bleak.

Something else to consider is the effect of a fire. Contrary to the hollywood special effects output, petrol & duesel vehicles very rarely "explode". Fires with them can be tackled with water/foam spray.
Once an EV (or hybrid) battery goes into thermal runaway, then the only means of tackling it is to try and limit the spread to "everything in the vicinity" - without getting too close and getting hit by the shrapnel a Li battery pack emits as it undergoes what Elon might describe as an unscheduled rapid disassembly.
Oh do tell me more! I know a few people at HSE and that sounds like a load of made-up bolleaux, so I'd like to follow it up with them. Where was this talk and who gave it?:)
Apologies, I missed the introductions and came in as the speaker was talking about his work with HSE science section.
He's from a consultancy that's been doing work in the field - including for at least one major UK vehicle manufacturer.
One thing it was not, was a "load of made-up bolleaux".
 
Says the person posting a stat showing hybrids (a form of EV) as twice as likely to be in a fire as petrol by sales. Of course, that infographic is a good example of misleading numbers. By using "per 100k sales", it conveniently ignores the fact that while EV sales have been climbing, the actual number of vehicles on the road is very small. Basically, by sales is a meaningless figure as it bears little resemblance to number on the road.
Get the same figures as "per 100k on the road" and you'll find reality is a bit more bleak.

Man! We really need a facepalm emoji on here! The WHOLE POINT of quoting per 100,000 of each, is so that it evens-out the difference in total numbers on the road! :rolleyes: If you did it in absolute numbers, the percentage of EV fires would be even less! :ROFLMAO:

But just to humour you, here's a link to a Swedish study - this time, per 100,000 of each type of vehicle registered. Unfortunately, I somehow don't think you'll like that one either...;)



Something else to consider is the effect of a fire. Contrary to the hollywood special effects output, petrol & duesel vehicles very rarely "explode". Fires with them can be tackled with water/foam spray.
Once an EV (or hybrid) battery goes into thermal runaway, then the only means of tackling it is to try and limit the spread to "everything in the vicinity" - without getting too close and getting hit by the shrapnel a Li battery pack emits as it undergoes what Elon might describe as an unscheduled rapid disassembly.

Yes, on the (as we've now established, significantly rarer) times an EV battery goes up in smoke, they are harder to put out, using the same methods that fire fighters have been using to put out ICE fires for the last 100 years or so. When you think about it, that's not altogether surprising - what with the fire being under the car in a strong, waterproof box... :rolleyes:

But with a more appropriate technique, actually pretty quick and easy...


Apologies, I missed the introductions and came in as the speaker was talking about his work with HSE science section.
He's from a consultancy that's been doing work in the field - including for at least one major UK vehicle manufacturer.
One thing it was not, was a "load of made-up bolleaux".

OK, so... nobody from HSE said any of those things... thought not...

Unfortunately, your link is only to a company, not to anything to do with the presentation. But a presentation on hazards of anything is different to a presentation on the risks of those hazards ever occurring! If you were to go to a presentation on the hazards of petrol you'd probably never get in another petrol car! Still, some folk are easily spooked...
 
my wife's car is very refined, very quiet, problem is with all this refinement is that it highlights any little irritating rattle from something, something going ching ching in the shopping bag, a zip on a coat with a high pitch rattle, its just annoying - never comfortable in it

Where as, my old van, there is that much noise it doesn’t matter - I'm much happier and comfrtable... window open Mony Mony at full blast on the cassette - thats the way to travel

wouldn't fancy an EV with the fire alarm about to go off at any second, they can be quite deafening

My van is quite ancient now, but it's reasonably refined noise wise. I fitted a bulkhead after buying it which largely seals the cab off from the rear where any noise seems to come from. Ply lining can rattle a bit if you don't check the securing screws every now and again. Biggest annoyance is firm suspension on sh!tty UK roads.

And yes, having fire engines following them around 'just in case' would get a bit of a pain for EV drivers. :ROFLMAO:
 
My van is quite ancient now, but it's reasonably refined noise wise. I fitted a bulkhead after buying it which largely seals the cab off from the rear where any noise seems to come from. Ply lining can rattle a bit if you don't check the securing screws every now and again. Biggest annoyance is firm suspension on sh!tty UK roads.

And yes, having fire engines following them around 'just in case' would get a bit of a pain for EV drivers. :ROFLMAO:
I have to disagree with that. Or your standards of refined are a lot lower than mine.

Diesels are good workhorses, I don't deny. And for the right job they are still the right choice. But they are not refined, nor the future.
 
Here we go again (& again & .. ) :sleep:

Butt out then, give us a rest?

have you noticed how many 'wild fires' there are now
lol, because no spark ever left the end of an ICE engine exhaust and caused a wild fire, and they definitely didn't invent spark arrestors, then have many countries make them mandatory for using ICE engines on wild areas of dry vegetation..


Here's an idea, how about all the EV whores keep out of a thread not about them for a change? They won't.
Erm. So the thread is about someone who is looking for advice on whether EVs would meet their needs..

they're buning everywhere
Really? I haven't seen one yet. The science/stats collected by reputable organisations also seems to outline the opposite of your point, a random emotional stranger on the internet
Which one should we heed?
And yes, having fire engines following them around 'just in case'
Gosh, you go from sublime to ridiculous faster than a cybertruck towing a 911
 
I don't mind the craic, but I do object to the hackneyed bullshoite trotted out by those with zero experience of EVs.

If only from the point that, this being a site on which people come for advice, they will receive utter cobblers (and go on to make an expensive mistake).

If you can home charge, don't plan on driving the length of the UK every day, have a normal-sized bladder, are sensible enough to not drive 5 hours without a pit-stop, and want something quiet, comfortable, fast, refined, and easy to drive, I would say go for EV.

And, whatever you do, don't go for hybrid: worst of all worlds in my honest opinion (y)
 
no wonder the planet is heating up

I take it they keep the batteries in the roof ? - does that not make them top heavy ?


Yes - some of them at least. The bus will have to pass all the various stability tests before it gets approved for use on the road. Good to hear there were no injuries.

We have about 60 bus fires a year in the UK. I'll leave you to guess how many are diesel and how many are electric...
 
Yes - some of them at least. The bus will have to pass all the various stability tests before it gets approved for use on the road. Good to hear there were no injuries.

We have about 60 bus fires a year in the UK. I'll leave you to guess how many are diesel and how many are electric...
you would need to balance that up with the percebtage of buses that are electric - (up to a quarter of new reg are electric, but historically (probably where you got your figures from) the percentage will be tiny

these buses look like the batteries were in the floor
 
you would need to balance that up with the percebtage of buses that are electric - (up to a quarter of new reg are electric, but historically (probably where you got your figures from) the percentage will be tiny

these buses look like the batteries were in the floor

Yes, of course! Do you have that figure to hand?

I wouldn't worry too much about social media videos of vehicles in China. Their regulations are different to ours...
 
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