Bluff and bluster fails.

[JohnD]

Where did the money go?

Somebody must know.

 

[JohnD]

"Lady Mone, who founded the lingerie label Ultimo, lobbied Ministers Michael Gove and Lord Agnew for the PPE contracts but initially denied she had connections to the firm. She now admits that was a lie"

 

[motorbiking]

what a stunner.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

what a stunner.

Can all the taxpayers that paid for it go for a trip on it?

Why don't you want our money back ?

 

[motorbiking]

Why don't you want our money back ?

where did I say that?

I know from experience that its pointless to sue an entity that does not have the means to pay.

Medpro offered a settlement for £23M. they could have negotiated that up a bit.

Do you think the tax payer will get more than that after costs?

 

[MNW67]

where did I say that?

I know from experience that its pointless to sue an entity that does not have the means to pay.

Medpro offered a settlement for £23M. they could have negotiated that up a bit.

Do you think the tax payer will get more than that after costs?

First of all, I don't believe a word they say.

Can we get hold of the frozen £75 million.

 

[JohnD]

I hear Mone’s Belgravia house went for less than £20million

Inside Michelle Mone's £19m 'show off' Belgravia mansion

The Belgravia home's living room had original artwork on the wall depicting Lady Mone's husband Doug Barrowman (pictured) next to an image of one of her heroines, Marilyn Monroe.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Luckily, they had plenty more.

Michelle Mone and husband selling £80m worth of luxury homes, private jet and superyacht

The Glasgow-born Tory peer has revealed that her bank accounts have been frozen during a two-year NCA police investigation.

www.glasgowlive.co.uk

 

[carmanmemoranda]

where did I say that?

You admire the boat. Most would look at it and say it should be sold if money from medpro went to it.

I know from experience that its pointless to sue an entity that does not have the means to pay.

They had the money. Can it be pursued further, let's see.

Medpro offered a settlement for £23M. they could have negotiated that up a bit

Peanuts in the scale of things.

We should get a full refund, let's see what we get. I don't think this is over just yet. Do you ?

 

[motorbiking]

You admire the boat. Most would look at it and say it should be sold if money from medpro went to it.

She doesn't own Lady M anymore. It's a beautiful boat, I'm sure her new owners think so too.

They had the money. Can it be pursued further, let's see.

There was a value that Barrowman might have considered to avoid the reputational damage. That is worth nothing now.

Peanuts in the scale of things.

but money that was offered and available.

We should get a full refund, let's see what we get. I don't think this is over just yet. Do you ?

but we wont. We will get about 1/2 a million. But at least the lawyers had fun.

Even with the benefit of hindsight, they should have settled.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

She doesn't own Lady M anymore. It's a beautiful boat, I'm sure her new owners think so too.

Did medpro pay for it, via income or anything?

There was a value that Barrowman might have considered to avoid the reputational damage. That is worth nothing now.

Good. But it's not the end yet.

Reputation, gone. Money next

but money that was offered and available.

Still peanuts

but we wont. We will get about 1/2 a million. But at least the lawyers had fun.

Time will tell. I think this will be pursued much much further yet

Even with the benefit of hindsight, they should have settled.

Nope. Even if we don't get any money back her reputation (and his) is in tatters.

Exposed for what they are

 

[motorbiking]

First of all, I don't believe a word they say.

Can we get hold of the frozen £75 million.

A separate action and available despite any settlement they may have made.

Looking at the judgement, it's pretty damming on both sides.. but there does appear to be the matter of the fake certification. (have you read it yet?) I think that wont end up going anywhere near Mone or Barrowman.

 

[motorbiking]

Did medpro pay for it, via income or anything?

You understand what the LIMITED bit means on PPE Medpro Limited?

Good. But it's not the end yet.

Reputation, gone. Money next

Still peanuts

Time will tell. I think this will be pursued much much further yet

Nope. Even if we don't get any money back her reputation (and his) is in tatters.

Exposed for what they are

The goal of litigation is to get money.

If you get more money settling than destroying. You should take the deal.

 

[MNW67]

A separate action and available despite any settlement they may have made.

Looking at the judgement, it's pretty damming on both sides.. but there does appear to be the matter of the fake certification. (have you read it yet?) I think that wont end up going anywhere near Mone or Barrowman.

No, I have little interest in these scum. What is the issue with the fake certificate, please?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You understand what the LIMITED bit means on PPE Medpro Limited?

Yes

The goal of litigation is to get money.

Yes

If you get more money settling than destroying. You should take the deal.

Not always.

This isn't over yet. Give it time

 

[motorbiking]

No, I have little interest in these scum. What is the issue with the fake certificate, please?

I know you like a bit of chatGPT, have a go at asking it to summarise https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content...e-for-Health-and-Social-Care-v-PPE-Medpro.pdf. it was pretty impressive. but the one pager had an error I think.

Point 150 on - there is an allegation that the test certificate of conformity issues by Intertek was a fake.

Government lawyers also f** up. Storage costs were dismissed (308 on), despite being claimable under the contract. they failed to prove quantum.

there was also a comment from the judges that it was 40 government / 30 med pro and 30 unproven due to f** ups