What have Reform achieved in local govt so far?

[Notch7]

I would wager who is going to be in control at the next election.

Which party would do be worst for ordinary citizens

A = Reform

Only idiots would vote for that

 

[Highway Man]

Which party would do be worst for ordinary citizens

A = Reform

Only idiots would vote for that

That wasn’t the question

 

[Notch7]

That wasn’t the question

It should be the question.

 

[Highway Man]

It should be the question.

Ok here goes.
What party will be in power in the next election?

 

[morqthana]

They’ve made the other parties shìt themselves and they are all having a mad scramble to try to adopt Reform style ideas to win back voters.

Pointless.

The type of ex-Labour voter who's transferred to Reform is never coming back.

Ex-Tory voters who didn't find the old Tory party quite nasty enough - they aren't coming back either.

They all know what’s going to happen come the next General Election.

We shall see. I suspect a fair few gung-ho-yeah-I'll-vote-reform poll responders might not, when it's for real. But that's not complacency, and it's not that I don't think Reform will get a lot of votes.

Labour have got 4 years to turn their ship around instead of carrying on tacking right, and their current captain is not up to the job. They need to get a new one asap.

The chances of the Tories electing a leader who will drag the party back to where it will again appeal to the "one-nation" small-'C' conservatives that it used to appear, right now, to be vanishingly small. Their core centre-right moderate voters are appalled by Reform, and appalled by the party's attempts to steal their clothes, and I do think, that when push comes to shove, many of them will hold their noses and vote Lib Dem if that keeps Reform out.

The Lib Dems could do quite well next time, particularly if Labour do not jettison Keir Starmer.

 

[morqthana]

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Well - the money we need to spend has to come from somewhere.

A decent public realm cannot be had for free, and that's all there is to it.

 

[morqthana]

What they have achieved is the public's confidence, which in turn will ensure their success. There is no going back now and just because you lot don't like it doesn't change a thing. Same as Trump winning the election, some things are just set in stone.

We have another 4 years to watch and learn about the lunacy of Trumpism.

 

[morqthana]

I am not alone in this, this is the will of the majority

'tis true, there are many fools out there.

Farage has fooled a lot of them once before.

 

[morqthana]

You say the same thing with Trump, yet he is the elected President of the United States.

And anybody with a functioning brain can see what a disaster it is.

But just like the fingers-in-the-ears-eyes-screwed-shut-naa-naa-naa-can't-hear-you Brexit voters, Trump voters will never accept that he lied to them, and they were utterly conned, even the ones living in their cars.

 

[morqthana]

so what does that say about labour if a **** show with no policies can beat labour at the ballot box.

It says they are a bunch of no-hope, no-chance losers unless they get rid of the frightened little man in charge.

 

[morqthana]

But the politicians aren't listening to the will of the people.

Will that be the real will of the people?

Or the one which the people have been sold by populist media who so do not have their best interests at heart?

 

[morqthana]

Starmers leadership , if you call it that, reminds me of Neville Chamberlain

At least he could claim a decent motive, of trying to avoid a war with Germany, a policy which was quite popular with the population. Remember this was only 20-odd years after the last war with Germany, and a lot of people were understandably not keen on a rematch.

Starmer's motive, OTOH, is to at all costs avoid telling the truth to anybody, lest he should upset them.

 

[morqthana]

Maybe he’ll have gammon and chips for lunch

Maybe with pineapple - an idea (not the actual fruit, but the concept of fruit and meat together) which was integrated into British culture 800 - 1000 years ago.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Will that be the real will of the people?

Or the one which the people have been sold by populist media who so do not have their best interests at heart?

It will be the 'promises' they made in their manifestos knowing what people want. The same 'promises' they always bin after taking power.

 

[morqthana]

Would you call 51% a majority?

Farage didn't in 2016.