Where's the self responsibility (are these folk thick?)

[JohnD]

Manufacturers moved abroad because taxes were to high here

No, manufacturers like Dyson like cheap wages and low pay and poor workers rights, and sweet deals for the rich. Poor environmental regulation cuts costs even more.

Is that what you want in your country?

Maybe you should move to Bangladesh. You'd like it there. Or China.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It is indeed a race to the bottom currently and we are trying to win.

 

[Jurassicspark]

This stuff comes mainly from China.
As we now almost entirely rely on cheap Chinese products coming in millions of containers, how do you possibly check all of them???

And that was your reply to,

"And who exactly is responsible when these products make it to market without proper checks? Should we blame the consumer, or do we finally start holding the platforms and sellers accountable for the harm they’re knowingly enabling?"

I have given a solution before we became China's slaves a couple of decades ago: stop importing cheap rubbish, impose heavy tax on this crap and support British manufacturers.

How do you know that british manufacturers are not going to do the same thing? And how do you know if these things that are being reported and flagged up from china, and not from any other country?

You also need to realise not all products may be affected equally some may be exempt from tariffs which could be the ones you and your jolly good friend diy_fun_uk are concerned with.

Everybody was laughing at me and calling me a conspiracy theorists.
Now China has us by the b@llox.

Because, people like you, cannot answer the questions I gave validly, and can't suggest, warrant, and push back against what the sellers are doing.

To destroy us they won't need to start any war nor waste any bullet; they would just block export to our country and we would be back to dark ages in a month or so.
Now, where do we take money to employ enough people to check every single container of shyte???
Taxpayer's money is not enough.

Economies are diversified, didn't you know that? And they really don't need to open every container.

They're sold on dodgy platforms that can't be shut down because liberals like you would scream "FASCIST"!

Johnny - the suggestion that online platforms cannot be regulated due to ideological objections is very, very misleading.

Governments routinely implement consumer protection and safety regulations in a manner consistent with democratic principles.

Ensuring that products meet legal and safety standards is a legitimate exercise of regulatory authority, not an infringement on freedoms.

 

[Jurassicspark]

I have given a solution before we became China's slaves a couple of decades ago: stop importing cheap rubbish, impose heavy tax on this crap and support British manufacturers.

I'm really not sure why you introduced "China" when nobody mentioned it.

All products?

Then you would be just one of many complaining about the skyrocketing prices.

So because something comes in millions of containers, we’re supposed to just shrug and do jack? Really?

All I said was this.

Followed by,

But the main question is, when a product literally could harm someone, is it genius to rely on consumer caution, or reckless negligence?

They're sold on dodgy platforms that can't be shut down because liberals like you would scream "FASCIST"!

 

[johnny2007]

How do you know that british manufacturers are not going to do the same thing? And how do you know if these things that are being reported and flagged up from china, and not from any other country?

You also need to realise not all products may be affected equally some may be exempt from tariffs which could be the ones you and your jolly good friend diy_fun_uk are concerned with.

Start with cars, steel, oil, fish, toys, tools and all other products we used to produce in abundance.
The clue about where all this cheap tat comes from is the "made in china" label.

Because, people like you, cannot answer the questions I gave validly, and can't suggest, warrant, and push back against what the sellers are doing.

Sellers take advantage of the soft approach and loopholes.
What was your question?

And they really don't need to open every container.

So how do you find little 5ml bottles of liquid???
Same as how you find drugs I suppose...
That's why there are no drugs in UK?

I'm really not sure why you introduced "China" when nobody mentioned it.

Why???
Look around you and see for yourself.
Most of the stuff here is made in china.
Our governments and stupid people buying cheap pushed all manufacturers away and this is the result: Chinese shyte everywhere that won't last 1/10 of old products made in UK.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Most of the stuff here is made in china.
Our governments and stupid people buying cheap pushed all manufacturers away and this is the result: Chinese shyte everywhere that won't last 1/10 of old products made in UK.

Unfortunately it's not quite as straightforward as that though.

Let's say I own a store selling widgets, all made in the EU and UK. They range in price from £300 - £500 and are decent quality, expected to give ~15 years of service to the consumer.

I then start selling a widget for £200, made in China. The quality, whilst not on a par with the EU/UK widgets, isn't terrible and they are expected to give ~8 years of service to the consumer.

Bear in mind the average consumer knows nowt about the expected lifecycle and my staff don't go out of their way to advise the public. A sale is a sale after all.

It's reasonable to expect at least some of my customers will start buying the £200 widget. Not necessarily because they're stupid, there could be a number of contributing factors.

Yes, it's true many (most?) of us have played our part in the current consumer market (death of the high street, throwaway products etc) however the reasons are multi-faceted.

Note: this doesn't excuse the folk I refer to earlier in this thread, those folk are stupid!

 

[johnny2007]

Unfortunately it's not quite as straightforward as that though.

Let's say I own a store selling widgets, all made in the EU and UK. They range in price from £300 - £500 and are decent quality, expected to give ~15 years of service to the consumer.

I then start selling a widget for £200, made in China. The quality, whilst not on a par with the EU/UK widgets, isn't terrible and they are expected to give ~8 years of service to the consumer.

Bear in mind the average consumer knows nowt about the expected lifecycle and my staff don't go out of their way to advise the public. A sale is a sale after all.

It's reasonable to expect at least some of my customers will start buying the £200 widget. Not necessarily because they're stupid, there could be a number of contributing factors.

Yes, it's true many (most?) of us have played our part in the current consumer market (death of the high street, throwaway products etc) however the reasons are multi-faceted.

Note: this doesn't excuse the folk I refer to earlier in this thread, those folk are stupid!

If the cheap widget had been charged import tax to make it impossible to be sold cheaper than the UK/EU made, what do you think would have happened?
Besides, everybody at least for the past 15 years have been aware that Chinese stuff is of questionable quality (shyte) but they still buy it because it's cheap.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

If the cheap widget had been charged import tax to make it impossible to be sold cheaper than the UK/EU made, what do you think would have happened?
Besides, everybody at least for the past 15 years have been aware that Chinese stuff is of questionable quality (shyte) but they still buy it because it's cheap.

Yes, and there are multiple reasons why.

 

[Jurassicspark]

Start with cars, steel, oil, fish, toys, tools and all other products we used to produce in abundance.
The clue about where all this cheap tat comes from is the "made in china" label.

How do you know the products, apparently from the post by diy_fun_uk, are from China?

Start with cars, steel, oil, fish, toys, tools and all other products we used to produce in abundance.

But we aren't talking about cars, steel, fish, and toys.

The clue about where all this cheap tat comes from is the "made in china" label.

So does that mean the products, posted by diy_fun_uk, are from China? You're the one who mentioned China.

Why???
Look around you and see for yourself.
Most of the stuff here is made in china.

Why do you keep on bringing up China?

Chinese shyte everywhere that won't last 1/10 of old products made in UK.

If, everything really is "shyte", according to you, I wonder how China's market and economy is like.

However, it's really not relevant to my question, which I asked pages ago, and the attempts of answering it ignominiously failed.

 

[Jurassicspark]

Bear in mind the average consumer knows nowt about the expected lifecycle and my staff don't go out of their way to advise the public. A sale is a sale after all

Based on your first post how you were kvetching and then you call people “stupid” for buying cheap products that don’t last, yet you sell cheaper, lower quality widgets without warning anyone?

A sale is a sale, you say?

Which part of that is not exactly the same behaviour you just condemned?

Or are you now suggesting that hypocrisy is the business model of the century?

Bear in mind the average consumer knows nowt about the expected lifecycle and my staff don't go out of their way to advise the public.

Did you graduate from the School of Excuses or are you winging it?

A sale is a sale after all.

Oh, blame the market, blame the system, blame everyone but yourself.

Classic.

Responsibility clearly skipped your memo, hasn’t it?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

You call people “stupid” for buying cheap products that don’t last, yet you sell cheaper, lower quality widgets without warning anyone?

A sale is a sale, you say?

Which part of that is not exactly the same behaviour you just condemned?

Or are you now suggesting that hypocrisy is the business model of the century?

Did you graduate from the School of Excuses or are you winging it?

Oh, blame the market, blame the system, blame everyone but yourself.

Classic.

Responsibility clearly skipped your memo, hasn’t it?

Not read

 

[Jurassicspark]

If the cheap widget had been charged import tax to make it impossible to be sold cheaper than the UK/EU made, what do you think would have happened?

By imposing strict tax criteria's on ALL products would be expensive would hurt customers.

It’s unfair to complain about people buying it if you also want to stop them.

And the reason why I say that is because where, on this thread, did anyone mention that the products diy_fun_uk was referring to were from China?

 

[johnny2007]

How do you know the products, apparently from the post by diy_fun_uk, are from China?

A massive percentage of what we use everyday comes from china.
The rest is from other countries on the other side of the world.

But we aren't talking about cars, steel, fish, and toys.

Ever heard of examples?
If you want we can talk exclusively of the substances sold on tik tok.

So does that mean the products, posted by diy_fun_uk, are from China? You're the one who mentioned China.

Thicko, see above.

Why do you keep on bringing up China?

Because you need to turn on your brain.
We're enslaved and we must bend over to china otherwise they can destroy us in a week.
You must be one of them who refused to believe that Chinese shyte would've killed our economy and country and now, despite the evidence in your face, refuse to accept that you were wrong.

If, everything really is "shyte", according to you, I wonder how China's market and economy is like.

However, it's really not relevant to my question, which I asked pages ago, and the attempts of answering it ignominiously failed

I don't know what you asked.
This is the second time.
What was your question?
Or is it a secret?

 

[morqthana]

A government that put it's people first.
Manufacturers moved abroad because taxes were to high here and they could ship their products back without tariffs.
Government facilitated and encouraged this migration.
They instead should've cut taxes to manufacturers, impose heavy tariffs on shyte imports and think about British people.
Charging corporation tax to a massive company/employer is just stupid.
They go somewhere else.
Governments should have negotiated tax percentage with these manufacturers rather than kick them out of the country.
Too difficult to understand for a communist like you, but this is how it works.

Complete nonsense.

 

[morqthana]

If the cheap widget had been charged import tax to make it impossible to be sold cheaper than the UK/EU made, what do you think would have happened?

A trade war which would have crippled our exporters.