migrants commit less crime, proportionally, than British citizens

diy_fun_uk said:
Sorry Notch, on some stuff I agree with you, however as I recently touched on in another thread, for me the % of crime they commit is almost an irrelevance.

The core fact remains. We need to stop the boats. We need to have a genuinely robust immigration system that doesn't simply rubber stamp most of these people to reduce the backlog and make the figures look good.

Do we want immigration? Of course. But what we need is genuine people, coming in via approved routes, that can contribute to our society, not be a drain on it.

I will however caveat my post by saying people who think migrants are the main issue when it comes to crime are, quite frankly, narrow-minded and/or bigoted and/or thick.
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I agree with you, I'm not saying it's okay to have small boats arriving, quantity unknown. I would prefer it if there were no small boats arriving.

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

We have lots of hard working proud British people who look similar to asylum seekers and they are facing increasing hate towards them.....some are care workers, some are NHS nurses.


We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

I want the govt to find ways to stop the small boats, I don't want a govt getting into power based on ramping up hatred, whilst their real intent is power for vested interest -Farage doesnt care about asylum seekers, its just a vehicle for him.

America is deeply divided, I don't want us going that way....with ICE agents picking people off the streets because they look a bit Latino.
 
Notch7 said:
We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.
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It is more of a recipe for disaster the way that we are dealing with them at the moment. I have little sympathy for anyone paying traffickers 5k to arrive here illegally then shown our hospitality only to find that they are taking the pizz out of us and on the take. We have homeless British citizens begging on the streets because they cannot afford to live, we have the elderly who cannot afford to put on their heating and worried that they may not survive the winter. How do you think all of these people feel when they see these illegals being housed in hotels, fed 3 meals per day, given clothing and money to help them? You have no right to be worried about a set of savages invading our country when we have not put our own people first.
 
Notch7 said:
The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.
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Lies. That isn't the only point you make, and that isn't the intention.
 
Notch7 said:
It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.
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You're attempting to make a strawman argument so you can easily knock it down. Dumbo intelligence insulting debating.

Nobody with any sense is suggesting that migrants are ALL anything. What is becoming apparent is that they're disproportionally vastly more likely to commit various offences. Some of that is cultural, in various parts of Africa rape is simply accepted and is often just how babies are made. Think dogs shagging on the streets, you're not far off.

Many of our core beliefs, e.g. not beating people up, being considerate, not stealing etc are part of the Christian upbringing that we were all subjected to as children. They aren't inherently human behaviours, we're all conditioned to not be violent robbing rapists. Other cultures will differ, some may be better than us but others may be much worse.

If you move a load of people from one place to another, their culture and beliefs don't get left behind - they travel with them.
 
Notch7 said:
I agree with you, I'm not saying it's okay to have small boats arriving, quantity unknown. I would prefer it if there were no small boats arriving.

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

We have lots of hard working proud British people who look similar to asylum seekers and they are facing increasing hate towards them.....some are care workers, some are NHS nurses.


We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

I want the govt to find ways to stop the small boats, I don't want a govt getting into power based on ramping up hatred, whilst their real intent is power for vested interest -Farage doesnt care about asylum seekers, its just a vehicle for him.

America is deeply divided, I don't want us going that way....with ICE agents picking people off the streets because they look a bit Latino.
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I don't disagree with some of your post. People, groups, media, political parties and governments with a certain agenda will of course try to put the focus of our ills on migrants. Any sensible person should conclude they (migrants) are a contributing factor but rarely the main factor. Unfortunately many believe what todays media and social media spouts.

Having said that, I'd assert it would never have reached this stage had western governments been more on the ball with illegal immigration. They haven't been, playing catch-up as usual.

Britain is a very tolerant country, however push society too far and we'll start to turn, understandably so I'd say.

I think 800+ arrived yesterday on small boats. It's good to see the agreement between UK and France is working, along with excellent and effective plans like one in one out.

Pathetic.
 
fillyboy said:
That's an interesting question that steered me towards google. The results were surprising.
In 2023 the EU rejected calls to make non consensual sex a crime. :oops:
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Kinda sorta but not quite. They made it complicated, of course
www.eunews.it

EU misses historic opportunity to include rape based on lack of consent among EU crimes

Negotiators in Strasbourg, where the Plenary session of the European Parliament is underway, announced that they have reached a political understanding on the proposed directive on combating gender-based violence, put forward by the European Commission on March 8, 2022, with the idea of...
www.eunews.it www.eunews.it
 
Highway Man said:
It is more of a recipe for disaster the way that we are dealing with them at the moment. I have little sympathy for anyone paying traffickers 5k to arrive here illegally then shown our hospitality only to find that they are taking the pizz out of us and on the take. We have homeless British citizens begging on the streets because they cannot afford to live, we have the elderly who cannot afford to put on their heating and worried that they may not survive the winter. How do you think all of these people feel when they see these illegals being housed in hotels, fed 3 meals per day, given clothing and money to help them? You have no right to be worried about a set of savages invading our country when we have not put our own people first.
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1) housing them in hotels was a Conservative policy…..you voted for the last Conservative govt when YOU voted for Boris Johnson.

2) “elderly can’t afford to put their heating on”…..yes because Conservatives privatised, gas, electricity, national grid. Resulting amongst most expensive energy prices in Europe….that’s free market capitalism: the ideology YOU support

3) “British citizens begging the streets because they cannot afford to live”……because we flogged off council houses then spent 40 years cranking up property values because houses were changed from people homes into investment opportunities…..that’s what capitalism does, it’s the ideology YOU support


Poor Highway Man moaning about the problems caused by capitalism says: “we need a right wing govt to sort out the mess”

right wing govts have created this mess, Farage would only make it worse.
 
Notch7 said:
1) housing them in hotels was a Conservative policy…..you voted for the last Conservative govt when YOU voted for Boris Johnson.

2) “elderly can’t afford to put their heating on”…..yes because Conservatives privatised, gas, electricity, national grid. Resulting amongst most expensive energy prices in Europe….that’s free market capitalism: the ideology YOU support

3) “British citizens begging the streets because they cannot afford to live”……because we flogged off council houses then spent 40 years cranking up property values because houses were changed from people homes into investment opportunities…..that’s what capitalism does, it’s the ideology YOU support


Poor Highway Man moaning about the problems caused by capitalism says: “we need a right wing govt to sort out the mess”

right wing govts have created this mess, Farage would only make it worse.
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I don't care who caused it, did Starmer take away the winter allowance off the pensioners whilst housing assylum seekers in nice warm hotels?
What has been done by Starmer to get our homeless housed and fed?
How many gangs have been smashed by this government.
 
Notch7 said:
I agree with you, I'm not saying it's okay to have small boats arriving, quantity unknown. I would prefer it if there were no small boats arriving.

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

We have lots of hard working proud British people who look similar to asylum seekers and they are facing increasing hate towards them.....some are care workers, some are NHS nurses.


We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

I want the govt to find ways to stop the small boats, I don't want a govt getting into power based on ramping up hatred, whilst their real intent is power for vested interest -Farage doesnt care about asylum seekers, its just a vehicle for him.

America is deeply divided, I don't want us going that way....with ICE agents picking people off the streets because they look a bit Latino.
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They are not Asylum Seekers they are Illegal Migrants that are dumping or destroying their identity cards and passports before crossing the channel and without those they have committed a crime so they are all criminals. " Refugees are people forced to flee their own country and seek safety in another country. They are unable to return to their own country because of feared persecution as a result of who they are, what they believe in or say, or because of armed conflict, violence or serious public disorder" If they are Refugees where are their Women folk ? Oh, I forgot, they are Muslims who treat their women as 2nd Class especially in Sharia Law where 2 females statements or witnesses are required to equal each Male statement or witness. They are young Muslim men who have crossed several Muslim Countries before entering Europe and then crossing several Countries in Europe before paying to cross the Channel on a dinghy, that doesn't sound like someone fearing persecution or violence or War. They want to live their lives as Muslims but don't want to live in a Muslim Country, does that not make you question WHY ? The answer is that they want to bring down Christian Countries, just as it occurred originally in the Middle East and just as it is occurring in Africa, where there the Genocide of Christians is occurring in numerous Countries and it has begun to happen to Countries across Europe, we need to take heed and wake up before it is too late.
 
It's impossible to reach inside their minds and work out their motives, but the fact that they're almost entirely young men should be enough for everyone to ask what the hell they're up to.

It's amazing that some are still swallowing the bullshit that those arriving on boats are fleeing from something.
 
Ivor Windybottom said:
It's impossible to reach inside their minds and work out their motives, but the fact that they're almost entirely young men should be enough for everyone to ask what the hell they're up to.

It's amazing that some are still swallowing the bullshit that those arriving on boats are fleeing from something.
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From France of all places.
 
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