migrants commit less crime, proportionally, than British citizens

[Notch7]

Sorry Notch, on some stuff I agree with you, however as I recently touched on in another thread, for me the % of crime they commit is almost an irrelevance.

The core fact remains. We need to stop the boats. We need to have a genuinely robust immigration system that doesn't simply rubber stamp most of these people to reduce the backlog and make the figures look good.

Do we want immigration? Of course. But what we need is genuine people, coming in via approved routes, that can contribute to our society, not be a drain on it.

I will however caveat my post by saying people who think migrants are the main issue when it comes to crime are, quite frankly, narrow-minded and/or bigoted and/or thick.

I agree with you, I'm not saying it's okay to have small boats arriving, quantity unknown. I would prefer it if there were no small boats arriving.

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

We have lots of hard working proud British people who look similar to asylum seekers and they are facing increasing hate towards them.....some are care workers, some are NHS nurses.


We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

I want the govt to find ways to stop the small boats, I don't want a govt getting into power based on ramping up hatred, whilst their real intent is power for vested interest -Farage doesnt care about asylum seekers, its just a vehicle for him.

America is deeply divided, I don't want us going that way....with ICE agents picking people off the streets because they look a bit Latino.

 

[Highway Man]

We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

It is more of a recipe for disaster the way that we are dealing with them at the moment. I have little sympathy for anyone paying traffickers 5k to arrive here illegally then shown our hospitality only to find that they are taking the pizz out of us and on the take. We have homeless British citizens begging on the streets because they cannot afford to live, we have the elderly who cannot afford to put on their heating and worried that they may not survive the winter. How do you think all of these people feel when they see these illegals being housed in hotels, fed 3 meals per day, given clothing and money to help them? You have no right to be worried about a set of savages invading our country when we have not put our own people first.

 

[johnny2007]

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this

Name one country where rape is not a crime.

 

[SPLINE]

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

Lies. That isn't the only point you make, and that isn't the intention.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

You're attempting to make a strawman argument so you can easily knock it down. Dumbo intelligence insulting debating.

Nobody with any sense is suggesting that migrants are ALL anything. What is becoming apparent is that they're disproportionally vastly more likely to commit various offences. Some of that is cultural, in various parts of Africa rape is simply accepted and is often just how babies are made. Think dogs shagging on the streets, you're not far off.

Many of our core beliefs, e.g. not beating people up, being considerate, not stealing etc are part of the Christian upbringing that we were all subjected to as children. They aren't inherently human behaviours, we're all conditioned to not be violent robbing rapists. Other cultures will differ, some may be better than us but others may be much worse.

If you move a load of people from one place to another, their culture and beliefs don't get left behind - they travel with them.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I agree with you, I'm not saying it's okay to have small boats arriving, quantity unknown. I would prefer it if there were no small boats arriving.

The only point I am trying to make is simply that those people who post constantly about ethnic minorities committing crimes are doing so with the deliberate intention of making it seem like all immigrants or all asylum seekers are violent criminals.

It is clear that we have asylum seekers who do have a different culture and sexual assaults are likely to be a result of this and its something we should talk about......but creating a narrative that asylum seekers are all violent criminals is naturally spilling over into British citizens who are ethnic minorities.

We have lots of hard working proud British people who look similar to asylum seekers and they are facing increasing hate towards them.....some are care workers, some are NHS nurses.


We have asylum seekers in hotels, these people have escaped from really bad situations, either from war or persecution or even if they are economic migrants. We have these people in large numbers, on former hotels they are suffering from trauma, PTSD etc and they have no job nothing to do.....I find that scenario very worrying, its a recipe for disaster.

I want the govt to find ways to stop the small boats, I don't want a govt getting into power based on ramping up hatred, whilst their real intent is power for vested interest -Farage doesnt care about asylum seekers, its just a vehicle for him.

America is deeply divided, I don't want us going that way....with ICE agents picking people off the streets because they look a bit Latino.

I don't disagree with some of your post. People, groups, media, political parties and governments with a certain agenda will of course try to put the focus of our ills on migrants. Any sensible person should conclude they (migrants) are a contributing factor but rarely the main factor. Unfortunately many believe what todays media and social media spouts.

Having said that, I'd assert it would never have reached this stage had western governments been more on the ball with illegal immigration. They haven't been, playing catch-up as usual.

Britain is a very tolerant country, however push society too far and we'll start to turn, understandably so I'd say.

I think 800+ arrived yesterday on small boats. It's good to see the agreement between UK and France is working, along with excellent and effective plans like one in one out.

Pathetic.