Understanding heating, cost v operation.

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Not used the word central on purpose, as including storage radiators, open fires, etc.

So the big date 1978 and the winter of discontent this changed my whole outlook on heating, never again do I want to rely on a single energy supply to my home. Be it an open fire, a gas fire, storage batteries, solar panels, generators or inverters, I want to be able to heat the home, should we lose for example electric from the grid.

In a good day in winter, I may get 11 kWh from solar and daily use around 12 kWh, so it does not matter how good a heat pump is, it would need to be combined with something else, be it back up gas fire, back-up generator, or back up boiler, basic thing is looking at multi-fuel.

The period between late September 1978 and February 1979 in the United Kingdom was too long in most cases to store power, Omar Khayyám put it in a nutshell,
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it:
But that does not mean as an extra we should not use a heat pump, these units
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have been around for many years, I first came across them in 1980 when working in Algeria, and also much latter still around when working in Hong Kong in the main used for cooling, but this is where the heat pump really comes into its own, it can heat and cool.

However, in my house, I don't "need" all rooms at 18 - 28°C, be it heating or cooling, if one room is at a living temperature that is enough when something has gone wrong, yes want all rooms normally to have heating, cooling not so important, but as back-up, one room would be enough. And let's face it, in the 50s even if the house had three open grates, likely a fire would only be lit in one, and with the modulating boiler, the idea is often to select what room will be heated when, so looking at outputs from the boiler which can drop to 6 kW or fewer.

As with days gone by, not reason not to heat just one room in the day, so heating system needs to be able to heat one or all rooms, the idea of heating all rooms all of the time, sounds good, but even if we can afford it, most people don't want to spend that much on heating, so today we are starting to look at a hybrid system, or some other way where we can select how much is heated at any one time.

So ideal heating needs to run between 2 kW and 15 kW for most homes, We have traditionally fitted massively oversized boilers in our homes, and a 35 kW boiler modulated to 6 kW is likely to be running inefficiently, to the whole idea of two boilers starts to make sense, we have moved towards the combi for years, but heating up the minium amount of water a combi can heat, just to wash one's hands, is clearly not efficient. Siphoning off some hot water when the central heating is running, that's a different story.

By accident in the parent's house, the central heating pipes ran in the same trunking as the DHW pipes, and we did get near instant hot water to wash hands, the whole idea of a 35 gallon cylinder of hot water, used twice a year on annually bath night, (rest of time using a shower) must be flawed. But to use solar to heat DHW it needs some storage, if I had a comb-boiler, then could not heat DHW with solar.

So every idea has pros and cons, so how can we integrate our homes, to increase comfort and reduce costs?
 
So every idea has pros and cons, so how can we integrate our homes, to increase comfort and reduce costs?

You do, only what you can reasonably do, without penalising oneself, or feeling uncomfortable. You make some provision for failure, but only based on what is likely to happen - you cannot even hope to be able to cover for every possibility, so why worry?
 
massive 20 kW oil boiler, and the mass ive hysteresis it causes. So, looking at the alternatives.

In your circumstances, I would be considering a diesel air heater. They can be had as cheap as £60, will happily run on heating oil, with a 12v supply, and produce 8Kw of heat very economically. One would serve as either a main heat source, or as a backup, running via a 12v battery.
 
"so how can we integrate our homes, to increase comfort and reduce costs"

You ask a general question to which there is a general answer: insulate and draughtproof.

It really is that simple.......in new builds. A real challenge in older houses, though.

We live in the south of Scotland, in a 10 year old wood frame and clad bungalow with 136 sqm, heavily insulated and fitted with a heat recovery ventilation unit. There are no window vents, no draughts, not even a letter box.

Per year we use about 1950kWh of electricity and 11800kWh of gas. Now pensioners, we like it very cosy. Every room has underfloor heating 24/7, the coldest is the main bedroom at about 19 degrees.
Roddy
 
if I had a comb-boiler, then could not heat DHW with solar.

So every idea has pros and cons, so how can we integrate our homes, to increase comfort and reduce costs?
You can still use solar DHW with a combi.
You just need the right combi that accepts pre heated water and an intasol valve.
Had that setup for over a decade.
 
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Per year we use about 1950kWh of electricity and 11800kWh of gas. Now pensioners, we like it very cosy. Every room has underfloor heating 24/7, the coldest is the main bedroom at about 19 degrees.
Roddy

Here, for 2024 - electric 2026 Kwh, gas 10774 Kwh.

19 degrees would be far too hot for us, we are on 14C over night, and sometimes we find that just too warm. We keep the living room 'cosy', rest of the house a bit cooler.
 
I have looked at small heaters 1767303451147.pngof 4.3 and 5.0 kW Eberspächer Hydronic S3 Economy for example, would prefer 28 sec gas oil so uses same as main boiler, but can't see how such a small cheap unit can be better than running the large expensive unit using mark/space ratio. It does not make sense. 12 volt great so main failure not a problem, OK need a 12 volt water pump, so can't see how such a cheap unit can be so good. I must be missing something.

Hence, the thread.
 

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