High Court Rules...

[King Billy]

Anarchy rules. I don’t agree with the law, so I am justified to do what I like.

As morqthana's examples shows, the damaging of the Berlin wall, the bombing of government buildings in South Africa, and there are other examples throughout history. Sometimes 'vandalism' of lawbreaking commercial enterprises with government complicitity is morally and ethically justifiable.

 

[motorbiking]

In the context of this thread, what laws were broken by the enterprises that were attacked?

 

[algas]

Anarchy rules. I don’t agree with the law, so I am justified to do what I like.

Like the statue drowning arseholes in Bristol

 

[fillyboy]

Looks like a re-trial is definitely on. I wonder if they'll use the old 'Berlin wall' defence?

Palestine Action activists to face retrial over Elbit break-in

Deanna Heer KC says a retrial will be pursued on all charges which did not end in verdicts.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

Prosecutor Deanna Heer KC said aggravated burglary charges against 18 other defendants who are accused of taking part in the break-in will be dropped.
She said that decision had been made after the prosecution "reconsidered the sufficiency of the evidence" in relation to the charge.

Code for we tried to stick on "aggravated burglary".

Based on this:

Theft Act 1968

An Act to revise the law of England and Wales as to theft and similar or associated offences, and in connection therewith to make provision as to criminal proceedings by one party to a marriage against the other, and to make certain amendments extending beyond England and Wales in the Post...

www.legislation.gov.uk

I don't think what they went equipped with could be described as a weapon of offence.

 

[MNW67]

Prosecutor Deanna Heer KC said aggravated burglary charges against 18 other defendants who are accused of taking part in the break-in will be dropped.
She said that decision had been made after the prosecution "reconsidered the sufficiency of the evidence" in relation to the charge.

Code for we tried to stick on "aggravated burglary".

Based on this:

Theft Act 1968

An Act to revise the law of England and Wales as to theft and similar or associated offences, and in connection therewith to make provision as to criminal proceedings by one party to a marriage against the other, and to make certain amendments extending beyond England and Wales in the Post...

www.legislation.gov.uk

I don't think what they went equipped with could be described as a weapon of offence.

Smart decision. It was overreach.

 

[morqthana]

Anarchy rules. I don’t agree with the law, so I am justified to do what I like.

The French Resistance

Breaking through the Berlin Wall

The ANC

 

[motorbiking]

Butter

Milk

Sugar.

Also irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Brigadier]

Butter

Milk

Sugar.

Also irrelevant to this thread.

Pancakes on your mind, perchance?

 

[King Billy]

Like the statue drowning arseholes in Bristol

I'm sorry to hear the statue of the slave trader drowned. I wouldn't wish that on any statue.
That is genuine, despite the thousands of slaves that were thrown overboard to drown, and only survivors were brought all the way to Bristol, to be sold as slaves.

 

[motorbiking]

Nobody says you cannot protest peacefully and lobby to have something changed.

But nothing gives you the right to decide something lawful is wrong and do something illegal.

That’s not how democracy works.

If you disagree then you must support the idea that someone might decide that men dressed in women’s clothes is wrong and start attacking them for the greater good.

 

[King Billy]

Nobody says you cannot protest peacefully and lobby to have something changed.

But nothing gives you the right to decide something lawful is wrong and do something illegal.

That’s not how democracy works.

During history there have been some social protests that included violence against the state, and its representatives that were considered justified in hindsight.
Occasionally democracy fails the people. It failed the majority of people in South Africa. It is failing the people in Gaza and the West Bank.
It could be argued it's failing the people in USA.

Democracy fails the people when it experiences democratic backsliding, enabling elected leaders to dismantle democratic norms, erode civil liberties, and weaken the rule of law from within, often leading to autocracy. It fails through extreme polarization, systemic inequality, or when "minority rule" is achieved through legal loopholes, such as voter suppression.

If you disagree then you must support the idea that someone might decide that men dressed in women’s clothes is wrong and start attacking them for the greater good.

I wouldn't consider that to be justified, and I very much doubt that, in hindsight, a court, or a court of the common people, or the man on the omnibus, would agree that it was justified.

Just because some acts of vandalism or violence are considered justified in hindsight, it does not mean that all such acts can be justified. That's a fallacious argument.

 

[motorbiking]

So now the role of a Jury is to define the law?
Two similar cases before two different Juries results in two different outcomes.

what a mess.

 

[King Billy]

So now the role of a Jury is to define the law?

No-one said that.
The rest of your comment is based on your erroneus interpretation of what has been said, and can therefore be dismissed out-of-hand.

Two similar cases before two different Juries results in two different outcomes.

what a mess.

 

[motorbiking]

Its exactly what you said.

I wouldn't consider that to be justified, and I very much doubt that, in hindsight, a court, or a court of the common people, or the man on the omnibus, would agree that it was justified.

Juries and magistrates decide guilt, you seem to be thinking that we leave it in the hands of the court to decide what is legal and illegal.

what a mess.