New High tech cameras to enforce 20mph roads

Justin Passing said:
British rail said their number one priority is safety. Nope, it's to run a railway.
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noseall said:
Death is very costly. It has cost many businesses their existence and even put business bosses in prison.
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Yes, but it happens.
Do you want
a) no railway, so nobody gets hurt,
or do you want
b) one where everyone does what they reasonably can to avoid it?
....(ie Do the stats in as granular way as possible? Chip away at the problem, don't do things like halve the speeds)

If you want the latter, then you have to accept that you want a railway in spite of the fact that people will get hurt.
So the dumbass M will come back saying that you admit you want to hurt people.
That's what trolls do.

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Blanket restrictions. ill-thought-out things like speed humps, etc etc, are dumb.
They used to put up signs like "accident black spot". Fine, good idea, indicaton of the application of intelligence.
There's a road near me , straight half a mile or so, good visibility, where there are hardly ever any pedestrians, and a decent pavement. There are no houses opening onto it.
I would guess no accidents in a long time. Not the same as road by a school or a load of shops. No discrimination, 20mph. It gets the system disrespect.

Maybe everyone has abrogated responsibility of using common sense because "Somebody should be using AI to do it"!
 
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noseall said:
No. I want a railway and where no one gets hurt or dies please, during the normal course of travel.

Similarly I don't mind cars travelling a 20MPH in vulnerable zones if it means lives are saved.
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You cannot have that. Accidents happen. You can either have no railway, or one where people get hurt. Anything else is a myth.

Nobody objects to "in vulnerable zones", but the granularity I referred to, hasn't been done.
Politicians tend to behave the same way everywhere.
They think up an idea, then take measurements to produce fake evidence to support it, to try to get votes from the dumb. Llke Khan and higher emitting vehicles - he was thorougly dishonest - , unless excessively stupid. He made no attempt to enumerate how many were vital to their owners but hardly got used.
Prime example of course is Trump.
 
Justin Passing said:
You cannot have that.
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Why not? During the normal course of railway travel, it is sensible to assume that I can travel to my destination without getting hurt.

It's a poor analogy in any case in respect to the 20 MPH zones. It bears no resemblance.
 
noseall said:
Why not? During the normal course of railway travel, it is sensible to assume that I can travel to my destination without getting hurt.

It's a poor analogy in any case in respect to the 20 MPH zones. It bears no resemblance.
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During the course of driving there are no casualties.
During the course of riding on a train there are no casualties.

You cannot predict where the accidents are going to come.

It's a precise analogy. Where is it qualitatively different? I suggest it's because you feel you're driving, or "other people who are idiots" are driving the car. "Idiots" just get stuff wrong.
But we are all idiots sometimes - and even without that, stuff can still go wrong.
 
Well Well Well!
Why are so many people so self entitled?
Some people, far too many people, think they are entitled to drive at the limit as a minimum. often exceed it, on every portion of every piece of road irrespective of bends, poor visibility , poorer road holding weather conditions no matter what.
How dare you cause me to drive at 29mph on a 30mph road - kind of mentality.
No awareness of possible situations, no anticipation of road conditions and what is happening, or potentially what might be about to happen up to 5 or 6 cars ahead or even behind, weaving about changing lanes on a motorway just to save every one tenth of a second yet at the same time causing stress and apprehension to other and often to themselves as well.
Often causing more fuel use therefore exhaust fumes and uncalled for addtional wear and tear on ther own vehicle and everyone elses.
Such people seem to be more of a majority these days and with so many additional vehicleafter a footballs on the road too the danger has increased dramitically the last few decades.
Utter madness? Yes I think so.

I am sometimes heard to exclaim "Ho - he must be important, look at the way he is driving!"

The driving test these days is the hardest it has ever been, yet the gen standard of driving is by far the worst it has ever been.

Is driving a bit faster/more erratic more important than not killing a child who should not run out into the road for a football?

Is self entitlement and road rage a "normal" way to behave?
 
ebee said:
Well Well Well!
Why are so many people so self entitled?
Some people, far too many people, think they are entitled to drive at the limit as a minimum. often exceed it, on every portion of every piece of road irrespective of bends, poor visibility , poorer road holding weather conditions no matter what.
How dare you cause me to drive at 29mph on a 30mph road - kind of mentality.
No awareness of possible situations, no anticipation of road conditions and what is happening, or potentially what might be about to happen up to 5 or 6 cars ahead or even behind, weaving about changing lanes on a motorway just to save every one tenth of a second yet at the same time causing stress and apprehension to other and often to themselves as well.
Often causing more fuel use therefore exhaust fumes and uncalled for addtional wear and tear on ther own vehicle and everyone elses.
Such people seem to be more of a majority these days and with so many additional vehicleafter a footballs on the road too the danger has increased dramitically the last few decades.
Utter madness? Yes I think so.

I am sometimes heard to exclaim "Ho - he must be important, look at the way he is driving!"

The driving test these days is the hardest it has ever been, yet the gen standard of driving is by far the worst it has ever been.

Is driving a bit faster/more erratic more important than not killing a child who should not run out into the road for a football?

Is self entitlement and road rage a "normal" way to behave?
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Attitude is one of the most important skills in driving. Its covered in chapter 1 of the Police driving handbook.

Getting upset and angry because others are driving safely, but not how you want them to drive, is likely to lead to you having or causing an accident. The next time someone makes a mistake, think about the last mistake you made and maybe cut them some slack.
 
There's plenty of stats that imply the opposite.

Drink driving is much rarer now than in the 1970s where it was more or less required to be drunk behind the wheel.

Fatalities have dropped massively compared to the past. Although old cars were also designed to kill you instantly in the event of a crash and we now have safer road designs and better speed limits, so that might not all be down to driver standards.

All the people who got a licence without passing a test from WW2 are off the roads.

People say road manners/etiquette are worse now than before, but I'll bet if anyone finds a similar survey from any decade it'll say the exact same thing. It's like the perpetual claim by old people that the modern youth are lazy.
 
But perhaps modern cars and roads and speed limits are just so good that despite the clear and drastic decline in standards road fatalities are more or less flat.

Although you have to wonder why we have some of the safest roads in the world given our terrible driving standards.
 
It's very difficult to compare European nations due to population distribution, but we seem to do pretty well by comparison. France and of course Germany have higher motorway limits and it doesn't seem to impact them too much. By comparison there is some evidence that links poor driving and road rage on roads where the limit has been set too low for the conditions.

There is obviously a goldilocks speed for a road where we get the right combination of progress, safety and concentration. I'm not convinced we have been heading in the right direction lately.
 
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