New High tech cameras to enforce 20mph roads

[Justin Passing]

British rail said their number one priority is safety. Nope, it's to run a railway.

Death is very costly. It has cost many businesses their existence and even put business bosses in prison.

Yes, but it happens.
Do you want
a) no railway, so nobody gets hurt,
or do you want
b) one where everyone does what they reasonably can to avoid it?
....(ie Do the stats in as granular way as possible? Chip away at the problem, don't do things like halve the speeds)

If you want the latter, then you have to accept that you want a railway in spite of the fact that people will get hurt.
So the dumbass M will come back saying that you admit you want to hurt people.
That's what trolls do.

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Blanket restrictions. ill-thought-out things like speed humps, etc etc, are dumb.
They used to put up signs like "accident black spot". Fine, good idea, indicaton of the application of intelligence.
There's a road near me , straight half a mile or so, good visibility, where there are hardly ever any pedestrians, and a decent pavement. There are no houses opening onto it.
I would guess no accidents in a long time. Not the same as road by a school or a load of shops. No discrimination, 20mph. It gets the system disrespect.

Maybe everyone has abrogated responsibility of using common sense because "Somebody should be using AI to do it"!

 

[noseall]

Do you want no railway so nobody gets hurt,

No. I want a railway and where no one gets hurt or dies please, during the normal course of travel.

Similarly I don't mind cars travelling a 20MPH in vulnerable zones if it means lives are saved.

 

[Justin Passing]

No. I want a railway and where no one gets hurt or dies please, during the normal course of travel.

Similarly I don't mind cars travelling a 20MPH in vulnerable zones if it means lives are saved.

You cannot have that. Accidents happen. You can either have no railway, or one where people get hurt. Anything else is a myth.

Nobody objects to "in vulnerable zones", but the granularity I referred to, hasn't been done.
Politicians tend to behave the same way everywhere.
They think up an idea, then take measurements to produce fake evidence to support it, to try to get votes from the dumb. Llke Khan and higher emitting vehicles - he was thorougly dishonest - , unless excessively stupid. He made no attempt to enumerate how many were vital to their owners but hardly got used.
Prime example of course is Trump.

 

[noseall]

You cannot have that.

Why not? During the normal course of railway travel, it is sensible to assume that I can travel to my destination without getting hurt.

It's a poor analogy in any case in respect to the 20 MPH zones. It bears no resemblance.

 

[Justin Passing]

Why not? During the normal course of railway travel, it is sensible to assume that I can travel to my destination without getting hurt.

It's a poor analogy in any case in respect to the 20 MPH zones. It bears no resemblance.

During the course of driving there are no casualties.
During the course of riding on a train there are no casualties.

You cannot predict where the accidents are going to come.

It's a precise analogy. Where is it qualitatively different? I suggest it's because you feel you're driving, or "other people who are idiots" are driving the car. "Idiots" just get stuff wrong.
But we are all idiots sometimes - and even without that, stuff can still go wrong.

 

[noseall]

During the course of driving there are no casualties.

Except when you throw pedestrians into the mix. Doh!

Yep, ill thought out analogy and bears no resemblance at all.

Accept that 20 MPH works and is here to stay.