Abnormally high UK temperatures continue

[Highway Man]

I know full well what your concept is. If you don't understand something or you don't like it, you deny the truth if it.



So is David Oliver, consultant in geriatrics and acute general medicine a nutjob? https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352

What about the people at FullFact and Reuters?

https://fullfact.org/health/flu-disappeared-lie-covid-deaths/

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...f-death-are-just-a-fraction-of-idUSL1N34Q0UF/

Are they nutjobs, or mindlessly parroting what some nutjob has told them?

Where do you get your information from? Dr. TikTok? Professor Facebook? #nutjob?




What applies here is that if people die who would not have died had there not been a heatwave then they died because of the heatwave.

I knew it would be too much for you to understand.

 

[morqthana]

Well - climate processes will go on happening, whether you understand them or not, whether you like them or not, and whether you think you can deny them out of existence or not.

Governments will go on doing what they can to prevent their citizens from dying unnecessarily in heatwaves, whether you think the doctors saying it happens are nutjobs or not, whether you don't think it matters if some old codger dies today instead of next year because a heatwave accelerated it or not, and whether you personally know anybody who died from extreme heat or not.

And there's absolutely nothing you can do about any of that.

Not one damned thing.

 

[morqthana]

I get ya, I just dont know how to 100% believe it without knowing what was happening 270000 years ago or whenever....

How far back do we have official records? 150 years?

How much reading have you done about the geologic temperature record?

 

[Highway Man]

Well - climate processes will go on happening, whether you understand them or not, whether you like them or not, and whether you think you can deny them out of existence or not.

Governments will go on doing what they can to prevent their citizens from dying unnecessarily in heatwaves, whether you think the doctors saying it happens are nutjobs or not, whether you don't think it matters if some old codger dies today instead of next year because a heatwave accelerated it or not, and whether you personally know anybody who died from extreme heat or not.

And there's absolutely nothing you can do about any of that.

Not one damned thing.

and the same applies to you too, you can believe all you want but it wont change a thing

 

[morqthana]

The crucial difference is that I accept that the things I can see happening, and the things experts tell me are happening, are actually happening.

You can see them too, but your inability to understand them, and/or your dislike of them, leads you to think you can deny them out of existence by calling facts lies.

 

[Highway Man]

Well - climate processes will go on happening, whether you understand them or not, whether you like them or not, and whether you think you can deny them out of existence or not.

Governments will go on doing what they can to prevent their citizens from dying unnecessarily in heatwaves, whether you think the doctors saying it happens are nutjobs or not, whether you don't think it matters if some old codger dies today instead of next year because a heatwave accelerated it or not, and whether you personally know anybody who died from extreme heat or not.

And there's absolutely nothing you can do about any of that.

Not one damned thing.

You worry too much over things that are out of your control. I don't give a damn as I simply enjoy the weather. I don't care if its freezing or extreme heat, the world will still continue to turn and life goes on regardless. I take no notice of scare mongering nutjobs that would have us believe their outrageous storys, it is all purely theoretical and not facts, it is their belief and they are doing a good job hoodwinking you.

 

[morqthana]

This back and forth is pointless. You're in full-on tinfoil-hat rabbit hole "alternative facts" mode.

Good luck getting reality to behave the way you are pretending to yourself that it does.

 

[Highway Man]

The crucial difference is that I accept that the things I can see happening, and the things experts tell me are happening, are actually happening.

You can see them too, but your inability to understand them, and/or your dislike of them, leads you to think you can deny them out of existence by calling facts lies.

You mistake natural phenomena for these fairytales. I don't mock you for being so nieve, but you do at some stage have to think for yourself and not rely on looking up to these self professed nutjobs who are lining their pockets with their tales of woe.

 

[yorksbuilder]

You must have thought the last Tory government were lefties.

They were in a way. Especially when it came to net zero!

 

[aveatry]

What I don’t understand is what is it in the mindset of some people which makes them reject science?
They’re faced with a topic about which they know absolutely nothing, in which they have not a shred of a qualification. They see that thousands and thousands of people who do know, and who are qualified say that man-made climate change is happening. They see that for the past 19 years not one national or international scientific body has rejected that finding.

And they decide that all those thousands of experts, and those hundreds of scientific bodies, are all wrong, possibly even lying in the service of some conspiracy or other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial#Promoting_conspiracy_theories

What is it about them which makes them so perverse? What is it which makes them so willing to believe and repeat blatant lies by other deniers?

Your post is part of the sceptic problem as you are just repeating things you have heard like "thousands and thousands" - one dummy on here on the proper climate thread said there were hundreds of thousands of climate scientists. There aren’t. And there are scientists who do go against the current narrative.

The totally over the to descriptions also lead to scepticism like "the world is burning" or your one below "utterly unprecedented." - when it is totally precedented in history and faster too.
People might be a little less sceptical if the government stopped using "climate disaster" to tax us more with things like climate levy's. Charging a EV car an extra "luxury tax" - taxing elements of heat pumps and solar install.
And once again no one is saying the climate is not changing and not all climate scientist agree that it is totally man made

But at what rate?
The latter 2 - no, it hasn't, not world-wide.
As for the distant past, you're talking about changes occurring over 10's and 100's of millions of years, not 10's and 100's like we are now. The rate of increase in global average temperatures we are seeing is utterly unprecedented.
And if you could be transported back to the geological past when you say "it's been hotter than this" you'd be dead within minutes.

You need to go and read the proper climate thread as its all been explained there - start with GISP1

 

[aveatry]

The crucial difference is that I accept that the things I can see happening,

Like officials exaggerating by saying things like "the world is burning" and then - all we need to fix it is higher tax

and the things experts tell me are happening, are actually happening.

Which experts are they, can you point to the "thousands and thousands" you mentioned

You can see them too, but your inability to understand them, and/or your dislike of them, leads you to think you can deny them out of existence by calling facts lies.

 

[Munroast]

the all new extra frightening weather map

 

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[aveatry]

the all new extra frightening weather map
View attachment 417301

Pushed out just before a new "climate" tax is announced.
Feel scammed yet.

 

[aveatry]

The one with the cloud