Installation outside

[nitram]

Hi,

Please someone clear-up what a DIYer can or can't do outside, for example supply mains power to a outside water tight building.
From what I have read on this site, even though I use all the correct materials, armoured, buried with yellow warning tape, trips, breakers etc... I am not allowed to do the work, only a proffessional. Cause when I went to the DIY shop, no one stopped me buying the materials! I started off as a sparky years, and years ago and I know how dangerous electricilty is and how important it is tomake sure that the job is done correctly including making sure that the system is tested. But I have to say that I am a bit confussed at the moment of what I can do.

I would appreciate an answer from someone please.

Cheers

 

[breezer]

not a lot is the answer

have a search for Part P

 

[Softus]

Please someone clear-up what a DIYer can or can't do outside, for example supply mains power to a outside water tight building.
From what I have read on this site, even though I use all the correct materials, armoured, buried with yellow warning tape, trips, breakers etc... I am not allowed to do the work, only a proffessional.

You've read something that's wrong, or read something that's correct but you're misinterpreted it.

Cause when I went to the DIY shop, no one stopped me buying the materials!

Why would they?

I started off as a sparky years, and years ago and I know how dangerous electricilty is and how important it is tomake sure that the job is done correctly including making sure that the system is tested. But I have to say that I am a bit confussed at the moment of what I can do.

You're allowed to do whatever you like, as long as it's safely and competently done and as long as work that's notifiable gets notified. Unless you're registered as being someone who can self-certify the work, you have to notify your LABC before work starts.

 

[nitram]

Okay, thank you for your help.

So when I get hold of an electrician, they will be able to spur off from the ring main install a 30mA RCD and run a 2.5mm sq armord cable to the outside, dig a trench, place the yellow hazard tape on top and put in a socket and a fuse spur for a light?

They won't need to come straight out of the consumer box will they?

I would like to know so I can work out how much this is going cost.


Cheers

 

[Softus]

So when I get hold of an electrician, they will be able to spur off from the ring main install a 30mA RCD and run a 2.5mm sq armord cable to the outside, dig a trench, place the yellow hazard tape on top and put in a socket and a fuse spur for a light?

If you're asking will they have the ability to do this competently, then the answer depends on the person you engage.

If you're really asking is this how they would choose to implement your design, then the answer is that I doubt it.

They won't need to come straight out of the consumer box will they?

Is there some reason why you wouldn't want them to?

I would like to know so I can work out how much this is going cost.

Oh. My. God.

Is there no end to the number of times this question is going to be asked?

YOU. DON'T. HAVE. TO. WORK. IT. OUT. BECAUSE. YOUR. ELECTRICIAN. WILL. TELL. YOU.
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Edit: corrected typing errors

 

[nitram]

To reply to your comments:

1. I have been ripped off too many times and later find out that the standard of work isn't that good - even when thinks they are good. And that they have charged far too much!

2. If you only need a light and socket outside in a water-tight building, why would you need to go straight to the comsumer unit when you can spur off with an 32mA RCD? Just like the kits sold in DIY stores??

3. Why are you being so hostile, when I am just trying to seek advice - there is so much condradiction of what can or can't be done (even on this site) it takes time to sort through!

Cheers

 

[Softus]

1. I have been ripped off too many times and later find out that the standard of work isn't that good - even when thinks they are good. And that they have charged far too much!

In that case stick to using people who've been recommended to you.

2. If you only need a light and socket outside in a water-tight building, why would you need to go straight to the comsumer unit when you can spur off with an 32mA RCD?

If you thought, and think, that there's absolutely no need, then why did you even ask about having to (or not) go from the CU?

Just like the kits sold in DIY stores?

I have no comment to make on the suitability, or otherwise, of products sold in DIY stores. For example, you can buy a gas boiler in such places, but would it be sensible, or legal, for you to install it?

3. Why are you being so hostile, when I am just trying to seek advice - there is so much condradiction of what can or can't be done (even on this site) it takes time to sort through!

Please tell me which of my posts were hostile, 'cos I can't see any (on this topic).

Not withstanding that, if you want to know why I'm tired of people asking about costs, consider (a) that it's against the forum rules, (b) that people do it all the time, even though they're asked not to, and (c) that it's ridiculous to think that someone can estimate something that would need a viewing to get the full supporting information.

And in case you're about to say that you weren't asking for price information, because you're working it out yourself, then I would say that if that were the case then there was absolutely no need to mention pricing in any of your posts.

 

[nitram]

Dear Softus,

I was not asking anyone about a price, I was just asking for an option regarding what someone else thought would be the best way to carry the job out. Just a discussion that is all. Just like loads of others on this website. If you did not like what you read you could of ignored it.

From reading what you have put and the way you have layed it out, in an aggresive way, you are one to be ignored!!!

You do not sound like someone I'd like to speak to or even know, you are rude and it sounds like you have issues you need to deal with. Get a grip, this is a forum for debate!!!

Cheers

 

[Softus]

I was not asking anyone about a price, I was just asking for an option regarding what someone else thought would be the best way to carry the job out.

No. You weren't. You wrote no such thing.

Just a discussion that is all. Just like loads of others on this website.

Nothing wrong with discussion. But you did mention pricing. And you still haven't answered my question about why you don't want an electrician to do the job the way that he/she wants to, but instead to do the way that you would want to.

If you did not like what you read you could of ignored it.

I could, but I chose not to.

From reading what you have put and the way you have layed it out, in an aggresive way, you are one to be ignored!

You could do that if you so wish. But you haven't. So can you tell me which posts have been hostile and/or aggressive?

You do not sound like someone I'd like to speak to or even know

At no point have I suggested that you do either of those things, nor have I implied that I would permit you too.

you are rude

Am I? When it's a matter of electrical safety I call it plain speaking. Or would you prefer muddled and non-specific answers?

and it sounds like you have issues you need to deal with. Get a grip

I have a grip - you're the one who's coming onto a forum asking for information and knowledge you don't have.

this is a forum for debate!

Well then, debate me this: why are you incapable of answering a direct question?

 

[breezer]

Get a grip, this is a forum for debate!!!

not with softus it isn't

welcome to the forums.

you mentioned no one will stop you buying the materials in a diy shop, why should they, the shop is there to make money, b & q will sell you a boiler, but you cant fit it (well ok you can fit it but you cant do the gas bits) but then again you may be a CORGI person buying for your mum (doubtful)

there is a lot more to most electrical work than meets the eye "just because it works" does not mean to say its safe.

as i suggested search for part P

 

[Softus]

Get a grip, this is a forum for debate!!!

not with softus it isn't

I'd like to know why you think I've not been debating the points raised by the OP.

welcome to the forums.

I'm finding that a little bit duplicitous there, breezer - your first post on this topic was factually incorrect, as is the next bit...

b & q will sell you a boiler, but you cant fit it (well ok you can fit it but you cant do the gas bits)

Yes he can. He can do the gas bits if he does them competently and safely.