No earth to front plate?

Joined
4 Apr 2007
Messages
42
Reaction score
0
Country
United Kingdom
Having just looked at one of my electrical sockets it looks like this;

143_L1.jpg


Is this correct? Usually isn't the earth going to a connection on the front plate rather than Just Live & Neutral - mine is like the picture, earth only goes to the back plate.

Thanks

Unkle
 
Sponsored Links
Remove the CPC from the backbox and terminate it in the earth terminal of the faceplate. You can then connect a small piece of earth wire between the faceplate and backbox.
 
Although if your back box has at least one fixed lug, the flylead is not required. Up to you!
 
Thanks,I assume "CPC" means earth but what does it actually stand for?
 
Sponsored Links
Cheers guys, was just a bit worried as seen many a time no earth to the back box but never the front plate!

Also was a bit worried as to why the numpty who did it all used black for the earth! Thats through me at first!

As someone above said, for the sake of a few cm's of wire I may as run to both box and front plate - assume I can just leave existing wire to back box and run a new on fom there to front plate?
 
No, CPC always to the faceplate. You can then bond the backbox from the faceplate.
 
Cheers,

Also meant to ask on the age/adequacy of the wiring.

It's the old grey PVC wiring, black and red wires (normal size) but the earth is also black, 2 wires coiled together (thinner than usual) - is this usual?
 
in most cables, the CPC is a size smaller than the live conductors (it is not expected to carry a current except in fault conditions; when there is a fault leading to an overcurrent or a short circuit, the fuse will cut power quite quickly).

In Twin and Earth and other flat cables, the CPC is bare copper inside the sheathing; not insulated like the red and black, but has to be sheathed when you expose it e.g. in a socket enclosure.

The sheathing on Earth wire should be green and yellow. You can buy lengths of it in hardware stores, DIY sheds and electrical suppliers.

Before G&Y was introduced, plain green was used, sometimes rather dark, perhaps this is what looks black to you.

If you have two wires twisted together, this usually happens when there are two cables (e.g. on a Ring) and the CPC from both of them has been poked into one piece of sheathing. this, and the twisting together, is no longer considered good practice.

PVC cable, unless it has been damaged by heating or contact with e.g. expanded polystyrene, or gnawed by rats, lasts a very long time, you will probably have some other reason for needing a rewire before it is past its best.
 
i
If you have two wires twisted together, this usually happens when there are two cables (e.g. on a Ring) and the CPC from both of them has been poked into one piece of sheathing. this, and the twisting together, is no longer considered good practice.

Thats the odd thing, there's only one cable (the grey PVC) going to the socket which houses one live cable (red), one neutral (black) and two earth cables (again black)
 
pull the sheathing off and have a look. maybe it has been folded back over itself.

Or post a close-up photo.
 
pull the sheathing off and have a look. maybe it has been folded back over itself.

Or post a close-up photo.

I'll have to look tomorrow as it's in my 5 year olds bedroom!

But as I remember, I removed skirting board (as I am replacing them) one grey PVC cable comes up behind skirting into wall and to socket, taking off the face plate reveals wires as I mention, one black neutral, one red live and 2 thin (black sheated seperately) earth wires.
 
I have always connected the CPC to the socket and looped to the backbox - the backbox earthing terminals are not brilliant at the best of times.
If at least one of the lugs of a countersunk box is fixed then the link isn't required, however I have always fitted them anyway.
 

DIYnot Local

Staff member

If you need to find a tradesperson to get your job done, please try our local search below, or if you are doing it yourself you can find suppliers local to you.

Select the supplier or trade you require, enter your location to begin your search.


Are you a trade or supplier? You can create your listing free at DIYnot Local

 
Sponsored Links
Back
Top