Open fronted floodlights - poll

RF Lighting · 19 Jan 2016

If you were carrying out an EICR, and found the following fitting in a public building, perhaps above where people may sit how would you code it?

Whilst the fitting appears to have clips for some sort of safety glass, it was not installed on any of the fittings.

JohnW2 · 19 Jan 2016

These items are labelled "On Hire from RF Lighting". Particularly given that, as you say, there is seemingly provision for fitting 'some sort of safety glass', would you (or do you!) hire them out without such glass fitted?

Kind Regards, John

Iggifer · 19 Jan 2016

Inside? How high off the floor are we talking? Within reach?

They look long overdue for replacement anyway

RF Lighting · 19 Jan 2016

I include one of my stickers (minus phone no!) in all my photos I post online after some of them started appearing on other websites, sometimes with people advertising it to potential customers as work they had carried out.

They were maybe 5 meters above floor level, and they definitely have been removed from service!

This is just a hypothetical question following the church lighting thread.

deadshort · 19 Jan 2016

JohnW2 said:
These items are labelled "On Hire from RF Lighting". Particularly given that, as you say, there is seemingly provision for fitting 'some sort of safety glass', would you (or do you!) hire them out without such glass fitted?

Kind Regards, John

Well that's the cat out the bag !

Well RF what a disapointment best wishes from all at AC LIGHTING

!

DS

JohnW2 · 19 Jan 2016

RF Lighting said:
I include one of my stickers (minus phone no!) in all my photos I post online after some of them started appearing on other websites, sometimes with people advertising it to potential customers as work they had carried out.

Ah, fair enough - but potential customers (of yours) might be a little put off my the appearance of items that you seem to offer for hire

Kind Regards, John

flameport · 19 Jan 2016

No code, because if a code was required, it indicates non-compliance with BS7671, and therefore at least one regulation from it should be quoted in support of the code given.

Iggifer · 19 Jan 2016

Between a C1 and a C2 for me. Dependant on how often those lamps catastrophically fail. If they fail like current linear 400w, then a C2, if they often, or even can explode, C1

JohnW2 · 19 Jan 2016

flameport said:
No code, because if a code was required, it indicates non-compliance with BS7671, and therefore at least one regulation from it should be quoted in support of the code given.

I realise that EICRs are primarily a matter of compliance (or otherwise) with BS7671, but is it really not possible to code something which, although not non-compliant with any specific regulation in BS7671, you nevertheless feel 'needs improvement' or feel is actually dangerous or potentially dangerous?

In any event, as BAS knows well, BS7671 contains some very vague regulations which can be used as a 'catch all' if/when no more specific regulation appears to exist.

Kind Regards, John

Iggifer · 19 Jan 2016

JohnW2 said:
flameport said:

No code, because if a code was required, it indicates non-compliance with BS7671, and therefore at least one regulation from it should be quoted in support of the code given.

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I realise that EICRs are primarily a matter of compliance (or otherwise) with BS7671, but is it really not possible to code something which, although not non-compliant with any specific regulation in BS7671, you nevertheless feel 'needs improvement' or feel is actually dangerous or potentially dangerous?

In any event, as BAS knows well, BS7671 contains some very vague regulations which can be used as a 'catch all' if/when no more specific regulation appears to exist.

Kind Regards, John

Well 7671 says in 422.3.1 "NOTE: A luminaire with a lamp that could eject flammable materials in case of failure should be constructed with a safety protective shield for the lamp in accordance with the manufacturers' instructions"

If there's clips there, that would imply they were intended to be fitted with safety shields, and they've just all been dropped over time. I know it's only a note, but it's still there. Enough to code it in my eyes.

NB. I'm copying and pasting from my ahem perfectly legit pdf version of 7671:2008 so the reg number may be slightly different in Amd3

JohnW2 · 19 Jan 2016

Iggifer said:
Well 7671 says in 422.3.1 "NOTE: A luminaire with a lamp that could eject flammable materials in case of failure should be constructed with a safety protective shield for the lamp in accordance with the manufacturers' instructions" ... If there's clips there, that would imply they were intended to be fitted with safety shields, and they've just all been dropped over time. I know it's only a note, but it's still there. Enough to code it in my eyes.

Fair enough - but is a lamp of the type we're talking about likely to "eject flammable materials"? That note says nothing about 'hot broken glass'.

Kind Regards, John

TPNSpark · 19 Jan 2016

Having had problems in the past with the lamps in these fixtures exploding I would be strongly recommending their replacement as a matter of urgency

Echo the husky · 19 Jan 2016

TPNSpark said:
Having had problems in the past with the lamps in these fixtures exploding I would be strongly recommending their replacement as a matter of urgency

That's a bit extreme, just fit the existing ones into amendment 3 enclosures.

ban-all-sheds · 19 Jan 2016

Iggifer said:
Between a C1 and a C2 for me. Dependant on how often those lamps catastrophically fail. If they fail like current linear 400w, then a C2, if they often, or even can explode, C1

Is there a UV risk as well?

mfarrow · 19 Jan 2016

No code. An ordinary lamp can be just as dangerous. Tungsten and glass are not inflammable.

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Open fronted floodlights - poll

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Code 1 - 'danger present'. Risk of injury. Immediate remedial action required

Code 2 - 'potentially dangerous'. Urgent remedial action required

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