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Is this your property, or are you working for the householder ?
If you are working for the Householder you will have to work to H & S Standards ( i.e scaffolding )
If you are working for the Householder you will have to work to H & S Standards ( i.e scaffolding )
I suggested a tower for middle bit and added that on price for customer. The bit on right would be roofing ladder. To sand the wood at top best to have all equipment with you.
Have you heard of fall arrest gear - harness which hooks onto something which is over ridge?
Any dormers, anything above gutter height, get scaffolding. Been to visit a mate this week who's now in a wheelchair after a fall working on a roof without scaffold, it's not worth the risk.
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Oh, so you don't care about the quality of finish?
£600(?) for scaffolding and you will be able to provide a higher quality finish in less time and more safely. It will also help you to access the chimney stack which needs painting.
If one improvises and the owner is aware then if there is a serious accident the Home Owner can be charged under the Occupiers Liability Act which carries very heavy fines and possibly Manslaughter Charges .
Last summer I watched some guys re-tile a whole roof off ladders. Some employers/customers are scum.
Wouldn't the owner be able to claim that they didn't know that the tradesman was improvising?
Fall arrest gear will stop you hitting the ground but it wont stop you smashing into the side of the building as you crash down.
Sorry, I understand that you want to keep the cost down but I do think that you are contemplating a false economy. Sure, we have all taken silly risks in our time but if you are wheel chair bound for the rest of your life, will the clients pay you for your loss of earnings?
Hss rent a mitower. It is 4 metres and working height of 6 metres. This should reach most of middle part of house. They have wheels
https://www.hss.com/hire/p/mitower
Would a harness and helmet and tied to roofing ladder be safe for right side?
Scaffolding would be great of course
People just don't want to pay. Most decorators use a ladder for middle part so a tower is better.
https://www.hss.com/hire/p/mitower
Would a harness and helmet and tied to roofing ladder be safe for right side?
Scaffolding would be great of course
People just don't want to pay. Most decorators use a ladder for middle part so a tower is better.
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I would say the above is sound advice: book yourself a working at height course.
And have a look on youtube at stories about people who have fallen from height.
I know the comments on here do seem negative but the more working at height you do, the more chance of a bad fall happening. You dont want to become one of those people that have a lifetime of thinking 'if only I hadnt done that job without scaffolding just to save the customer a few quid'.
One of my subbies had a fall, tore his shoulder tendon. 6 months later and he can only lift that arm to chest height.
Too many people use towers incorrectly including pro builders, it really is worth having training to use them correctly.
You're absolutely right but when I posted the question on a decorators forum no one mentioned scaffold just ladders. This goes to show how many people don't bother with scaffold on this kind of work. One guy mentioned the mitower from hss and recommended them.
Are even these mitowers dangerous? What can go wrong with these? I am finding this very frustrating. I just want to work. And people in most cases don't want to pay the crazy scaffold prices. I thought this mitower was a great idea - safer than ladders and £75 if u pick up for week.
Any recommended courses u know of? Some of these courses are a bit nonsense though. Blokes in a classroom showing scary pictures without any real hands on learning. That was my experience on a softwash course once.
The guy asked me to paint his fascias after I did a good job on his conservatory. I said£450 labour and £80-£140 for tower. He hasn't even replied so maybe he's after a cheap job or confused just fascias with everything which I meant.
My ladders are great--titan classic (good ladder) with ankalad stabilizer. I have rachet and a bolt thing which is removable and goes into a wall. Ladder stoppers. I find it frustrating there's no reasonably priced compromise on this. I thought the mitower was. Seems like it's either dangerous ladders or expensive scaffolds. When with someone with half a brain come up with something.
For example why aren't all house's fitted with ibolts by law for people rachet their ladders to. Then harness themselves to ladder. When will the government implement common sense things like this. It's obvious.
So much of what people ask me to do involves height work. I have to earn and appreciate what everyone's saying on here as well
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Actually HSS do a PASMA tower course, about £100.
https://www.hsstraining.com/course-detail/course/pasma-mobile-access-towers-for-users
There is nothing at all wrong with using a tower, but they are so often assembled wrongly and not set up in place correctly.
I bet the people taking the course do all working at height training, so you may get info about working on ladders too.
You will learn safer, but also probably better and quicker ways to do jobs.
Im sure you would learn from the course, how to assess what each job you quote for needs in terms of equipment to work safely.
Where you do have bolts they have to be regularly tested. They can corode, or they might just have not been fitted right in the first place. Defects are not evident until you apply a load i.e. you fall off.
If you’re going to end up hanging in mid air, it’s essential that there are other people around who are trained to get you down quickly and safely. On jobs like these facias, it’s probably safer to hit the ground than to be suspended mid air by yourself. Crash mats would be a better solution.
(I used to be a caver. I knew a few people who worked as tree surgeons, rope-access window cleaners, etc. because they had the required rope skills. One guy used to say he abseiled inside nuclear reactors. We spent a lot of time hanging out of trees practicing how to rescue someone who was stuck mid-rope.)
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