How to Engage a Builder

If only we could find a way so that they downloaded and printed to scale.:mad:

Send paper (to scale) copies in the post to me please.

Good point. Probably half my builders still prefer paper plans but some have embraced the digital age and are happy for plans to be emailed, especially for an initial enquiry that doesn't need accurate pricing. Mind you I always fully dimension my plans so there shouldn't be too much need to scale off the drawings. (Yeah I know you shouldn't scale off the drawings but everybody does it).
 
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I'm afraid not, the contract completion date is the contract completion date. An extension of time may be awarded by the Client depending on what the variation is and its repercussions. i.e.changing to different bricks, no extension of time unless procuring them causes a problem and even then it would depend of where the work is on the critical path. The construction industry would collapse into chaos if a variation invalidated the contractual completion date and it became open ended
I'm afraid so. Do you actually work in construction?

Its a basic contract law principle dating back to the early part of the 1800's.

This is why typical construction contracts have specific variation clauses within the contract, and any variation must include for a new contract completion date.
 
Not anymore, now retired but dealt with contractors cost and extension of time claims over 40 years and whilst sometimes extension of times have been given sometimes they have not. As I previously stated its all down to the circumstances and a variance is not an automatic right to an extension or invalidates the agreed completion date. I don't have any Conditions of Contract to hand whether it be JCT, ICE, Mech Eng, etc, but if you are able to locate ones checkout the specific clause that will be titled something like Extension of Time and see what it says.
I have had a quick Google and picked up the following re EoT , its a bit of a read but would illustrate where I am coming from and give you food for thought perhaps. Para 10 gives the scenario if there isn't an EoT mechanism included within the contract and you will note that even then the contract must be completed in a reasonable time and doesn't become open ended What is a reasonable time is another storeywhich no doubt the lawyers could have a field day with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When it becomes reasonably apparent that there is, or that there is likely to be, a delay that could merit an extension of time, the contractor gives written notice to the contract administrator identifying the relevant event that has caused the delay.

If the contract administrator accepts that the delay was caused by a relevant event, then they may grant an extension of time and the completion date is adjusted.

Relevant events may include:

The contractor is required to prevent or mitigate the delay and any resulting loss, even where the fault is not their own.

Assessing claims for an extension of time can be complicated and controversial. There may be multiple or concurrent delays, some of which are the contractor's fault and some not. There are many occasions where contractors contribute to delay themselves by their performance during design periods, when producing drawings, mock ups and samples or in inter-facing with sub-contractors.

Crucial in assessing applications for extension of time is the quality of the information provided and records available.

Claims should be judged against the actual progress of the works, not the programme, and must demonstrate the link between the breach (cause) and the delay.

The contract administrator may review extensions of time after practical completion and further adjust the completion date.

Mechanisms allowing extensions of time are not simply for the contractor's benefit. If there was no such mechanism and a delay occurred which was not the contractor’s fault, then the contractor would no longer be required to complete the works by the completion date and would only then have to complete the works in a 'reasonable' time. The client would lose any right to liquidated damages.

Claims for extension of time can run alongside claims for loss and expense (relevant matters) however, one need not necessarily lead to the other.

It is very important when deducting liquidated damages to ensure that the correct contractual procedures are adhered to. In the case of Octoesse LLP v Trak Special Projects Ltd [2016], Justice Jefford held that Octoesse was not entitled to deduct liquidated damages as they had agreed to an extension of time after a certificate of non completion had been issued. The JCT Intermediate Building Contract is constructed such that:

'If the Contractor fails to complete the Works or a Section by the relevant Completion Date, the Architect/Contract administrator shall issue a certificate to that effect. If an extension of time is made after the issue of such certificate, the extension shall cancel that certificate and the Architect/Contract Administrator shall where necessary issue a further certificate
 
Not anymore, now retired but dealt with contractors cost and extension of time claims over 40 years and whilst sometimes extension of times have been given sometimes they have not. As I previously stated its all down to the circumstances and a variance is not an automatic right to an extension or invalidates the agreed completion date. I don't have any Conditions of Contract to hand whether it be JCT, ICE, Mech Eng, etc, but if you are able to locate ones checkout the specific clause that will be titled something like Extension of Time and see what it says.
I have had a quick Google and picked up the following re EoT , its a bit of a read but would illustrate where I am coming from and give you food for thought perhaps. Para 10 gives the scenario if there isn't an EoT mechanism included within the contract and you will note that even then the contract must be completed in a reasonable time and doesn't become open ended What is a reasonable time is another storeywhich no doubt the lawyers could have a field day with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When it becomes reasonably apparent that there is, or that there is likely to be, a delay that could merit an extension of time, the contractor gives written notice to the contract administrator identifying the relevant event that has caused the delay.

If the contract administrator accepts that the delay was caused by a relevant event, then they may grant an extension of time and the completion date is adjusted.

Relevant events may include:

The contractor is required to prevent or mitigate the delay and any resulting loss, even where the fault is not their own.

Assessing claims for an extension of time can be complicated and controversial. There may be multiple or concurrent delays, some of which are the contractor's fault and some not. There are many occasions where contractors contribute to delay themselves by their performance during design periods, when producing drawings, mock ups and samples or in inter-facing with sub-contractors.

Crucial in assessing applications for extension of time is the quality of the information provided and records available.

Claims should be judged against the actual progress of the works, not the programme, and must demonstrate the link between the breach (cause) and the delay.

The contract administrator may review extensions of time after practical completion and further adjust the completion date.

Mechanisms allowing extensions of time are not simply for the contractor's benefit. If there was no such mechanism and a delay occurred which was not the contractor’s fault, then the contractor would no longer be required to complete the works by the completion date and would only then have to complete the works in a 'reasonable' time. The client would lose any right to liquidated damages.

Claims for extension of time can run alongside claims for loss and expense (relevant matters) however, one need not necessarily lead to the other.

It is very important when deducting liquidated damages to ensure that the correct contractual procedures are adhered to. In the case of Octoesse LLP v Trak Special Projects Ltd [2016], Justice Jefford held that Octoesse was not entitled to deduct liquidated damages as they had agreed to an extension of time after a certificate of non completion had been issued. The JCT Intermediate Building Contract is constructed such that:

'If the Contractor fails to complete the Works or a Section by the relevant Completion Date, the Architect/Contract administrator shall issue a certificate to that effect. If an extension of time is made after the issue of such certificate, the extension shall cancel that certificate and the Architect/Contract Administrator shall where necessary issue a further certificate
o_O

Try "time at large" into Google. It applies to any contact.
 
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the contract completion date is the contract completion date
Except when...
An extension of time may be awarded by the Client depending on what the variation is and its repercussions
What a load of old ****:rolleyes:

Our client has just begged us to take on the renovations of the old part of her house whilst putting the extension bit on hold. I'm guessing a time extension has just been added by ME and that I may or may not penalise the client for prolonging my next start date.

Seems these old client friendly contracts came about when builders used to bow to clients and were in plentiful supply.
 
Except when...

What a load of old ****:rolleyes:

Our client has just begged us to take on the renovations of the old part of her house whilst putting the extension bit on hold. I'm guessing a time extension has just been added by ME and that I may or may not penalise the client for prolonging my next start date.

Seems these old client friendly contracts came about when builders used to bow to clients and were in plentiful supply.

I'm not sure the contracts are all that client friendly in this respect. When I think of all the claims and disputes I've been involved with on bloody claims for EoT and the resultant claims for extra prelims. I come out in a cold sweat just thinking about it.

Edit: Sorry about the meds trolley comment, that crept in by mistake when I was typing something else and wasn't aimed at noseall. I'm feeling a bit poorly and not quite up to par.
 
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If only we could find a way so that they downloaded and printed to scale.
Drawings can be downloaded and printed to scale ,it's done all the time, but you obviously need the right equipment and know how to do it.
Having said that ,builders should be asked whether they want drawings emailing or paper copies posting . Paper copies are usually issued for construction anyway.
 
o_O

Try "time at large" into Google. It applies to any contact.

Very interesting Woody and from what I have read I would certainly agree that if here is no mechanism for awarding EoTs in a contract then the Time at Large concept would be a fallback situation. However if there is a clause within the contract that allows EoTs to be considered and awarded (or not awarded if not so justified) for various events (variations being one of them) then the said clause takes precedent over any Time at Large arguments. Also within the articles I have read it does mention that if a Time at Large event came to pass and the completion date thus fell to one side the contractor is still responsible for competing the work within a reasonable time.

So going back to your original statement which I commented on

Under contract, as soon as the scope of the work alters (a variation) then the original completion date becomes invalid. The contract effectively becomes open ended.

and trying to assess things in an objective manner and whether you agree or not we can leave that to the courts

  1. Yes, if the contract does not contain an EoT clause the original completion date may become invalid if the variation was of such significance that it delayed the contract. I say may because if you had to fit an extra door on a 2 year contract (say) this would have no effect on achieving the completion date as opposed to having to fit 100 extra doors on a 2 week contract. Both are extremes but I’m just trying to illustrate the point that a real delay must have been caused for Time at Large to be invoked

  2. If there is an EoT clause within the contract a Time at Large case cannot be argued and the original completion date holds which may be extended and a new contractual completion date stipulated

  3. Whether moving forward under EoTs or Time at Large a contract never becomes open ended but must be completed in a reasonable time

I note Noseall succinct comments and no doubt Time at Large would not apply to his contract as he is probably working under the Small Builders MFO Conditions of Contract even though his client has given an extension of time by default by asking him to put the extension on hold and begging him to take on renovations. I would suggest he tells her to find a new builder as dealing with one whom you have to beg to is not conducive to a good working relationship
 
I would suggest he tells her to find a new builder as dealing with one whom you have to beg to is not conducive to a good working relationship
I tried, but she only has eyes for me. I have managed to palm the old cottage roof/line renovations onto me mate though. I only do roofline stuff as part of a project and not in isolation.
 

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