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2 World wars started in Eastern Europe and history looks like it could be repeated if all sides don't stay sensible.
War is not something people should wish for, someone could get hurt.
 
Justin Passing said:
Borders: As we Brits have sent half our army* to help defend the Polish border with Belarus, how about using the other half to defend our border with France?

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Where is our border with France ???
Do we put a Barbed Wire Fence up through the English Channel or on our Beaches ?
 
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The EU is supporting Poland. Poland is passing laws to push people back across the border . (That site is quoting the Poles, I haven't checked its integrity)
International law says Asylum Seekers should apply for asylum in Belarus, because it's "safe".

France and whatever other country those folk came through, are also safe.

The French are saying they are using their police to stop boats - and want more money for doing it. Well, they should welcome our assistance - our forces can give them a hand, free! The AS boats are unsafe so confiscate them and take the AS back to France. It would niggle the French but if the AS got the idea they're likely to be wasting their money they might stop trying, so the French would have less of a problem with AS camps.
 
The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest disaster for Europe since WW2.
 
fillyboy said:
A small advance party, engineers, to assist with planning on the border fortifications. Doubtless when the **** hits the fan, British boots will be the first on the ground, as always.

RAF doing reconnaissance, tailing Russian bombers, making their presence felt.

OK, only 10 troops as of Friday, (that we know of) that's ten ******G times more than the EU, of which Poland is a member have sent.

On Saturday, the EU pledged their 'support'.
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The EU don't have any military to provide military support. Therefore your comment is irrelevant.
 
AngleEyes said:
The EU don't have any military to provide military support. Therefore your comment is irrelevant.
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That is because they rely on Nato to preserve peace in Europe.
Without the Americans and British Nato would be as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
 
Justin Passing said:
The EU is supporting Poland. Poland is passing laws to push people back across the border . (That site is quoting the Poles, I haven't checked its integrity)
International law says Asylum Seekers should apply for asylum in Belarus, because it's "safe".

France and whatever other country those folk came through, are also safe.

The French are saying they are using their police to stop boats - and want more money for doing it. Well, they should welcome our assistance - our forces can give them a hand, free! The AS boats are unsafe so confiscate them and take the AS back to France. It would niggle the French but if the AS got the idea they're likely to be wasting their money they might stop trying, so the French would have less of a problem with AS camps.
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International law says asylum seekers are free to choose whichever country they prefer to claim asylum, and there is no requirement for them to claim asylum in the fist 'safe' country.

What country in the world would welcome outside assistance, especially while relations are so fraught?

The problem is not dealing with the asylum seekers, it's finding them! And their numbers are increasing, and France does detect and detain about 50% of them, and France has far more asylum seekers than UK, and the topography of the French coastline is vastly different to the English coastline (cliff tops in England ideal for spotting boats, compared to sand dunes in France ideal for hiding), and England has a volunteer force to detect asylum seekers, and the coastline in France is vastly different to southern England as far as population density is concerned, and does France have the legal right to stop a seemingly otherwise legitimate boat, at sea
So it's not comparing apples with apples, or even apples with another fruit.

France has had “some successes”, said Charles Hymas in The Daily Telegraph. Nearly 50% of migrants who try to leave its shores are now being stopped, a total of 7,500 this year; some 300 smugglers have been arrested.

The problem is that the overall numbers are increasing, and traffickers are expanding their operations across hundreds of miles of France’s northern coast. The French authorities also insist that they will not stop boats at sea, or accept back migrants from the UK – which has lost the right to return refugees to other EU nations because of Brexit.

France, which had 92,000 asylum applications last year to the UK’s 27,000

The fact is that the Channel crossings are “almost impossible to halt”.
https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/politics/953641/england-france-54m-channel-crackdown​
 
The bell a Russians are telling the migrants to go to the border with Poland as transport is being laid on to take them to Germany

the UK have sent some troops to Poland
 
Mean while the Russians have been building up there military presence on the Ukraine border

possible invasion ??
 
AngleEyes said:
International law says asylum seekers are free to choose whichever country they prefer to claim asylum
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Reference please?
I don't think there is such a law.
The laws are mostly about negatives, what remains is a mess of implied possibilities which are subject to further laws. OK there's is no single law which says they have to apply in the first country, but it's not irrelevant -there have to be reasons why they shouldn't, to be considered by those further laws. Some are specific to a country - which can make its own laws - and some go back to UN declaraions which have been in part reinterpreted or extended.

Within the EU the Dublin Declaration says states can return people to safe states from which they have come - though it's woolly.
The EU can say we've left so it doesn't apply, but then the EU is the last "place" the people came from. Therefore asylum could be refused on the basis that the EU is safe. In other words you can't claim to have nowhere else to go if you've just come from a safe place. They can't have it both ways. This still has to be tested. I just read that but can't find the reference for it now.

The Dublin declaration was woollified further in "III", 2020, after the UK had left, so the UK can rightly claim it doesn't apply to the UK anyway.

UK law was partly established in the case : https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/1999/765.html

Best of luck with parsing that into a pithy summarizing epithet.
 
Putin is banking on no one doing any thing should he choose to go into the Ukraine ?

same situation when he Annexed the Crimea ?

reports suggest that he has massed a 100000 troops on the border with Ukraine ?

Mean while the EU is worried / concerned with more serious matters like

Selling sausages from mainland UK to NI
 
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